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Old 08-21-2012, 10:42 AM   #1
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NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

Villain is winning reg and also plays higher. I decided to seat him cause i wasn't getting action elsewhere anw. He's barreled every flop and turn IP so far but I've seen him shutdown on river once w complete air (very little equity even w his bet on turn) . ~70-80th hand of the match and he's raising 90% OTB and cbetting 76%. On river I am thinking he's trying to level me to get me to call so I folded in game. Not rly sure about it tho


I am up one buyin at this point through this hand which should be irrelevant but not entirely:


    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13769182

    BB: $120.23 (240.5 bb)
    Hero (SB): $61.29 (122.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K J
    Hero raises to $1, BB raises to $4, Hero calls $3

    Flop: ($8) J 3 2 (2 players)
    BB bets $5, Hero calls $5

    Turn: ($18) 6 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB calls $12

    River: ($42) 7 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $40.29 and is all-in, BB calls $40.29

    Results: $122.58 pot ($0.50 rake)
    Final Board: J 3 2 6 7
    BB showed Q J and lost (-$61.29 net)
    Hero showed K J and won $122.08 ($60.79 net)



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    The actual hand:


      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13769172

      SB: $63.33 (126.7 bb)
      Hero (BB): $117.33 (234.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with J A
      SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

      Flop: ($3) A 7 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, SB bets $2, Hero calls $2

      Turn: ($7) 6 (2 players)
      Hero checks, SB bets $4, Hero calls $4

      River: ($15) 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, SB bets $20, Hero ??




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      edit: I am not 3betting AJs pre cause strangely he has folded 100% to my 3bets
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      Old 08-21-2012, 11:16 AM   #2
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

      Seems like an easy fold. The board ran out bad and he has a huge value range on this river. Any 4 or 9, diamonds, and 2 pair plus hands.

      You probably have close to the bottom of your call, call range, as you might get here with some 2 pairs, some 9s, some 4s and some diamond draws.
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      Old 08-24-2012, 06:57 PM   #3
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

      I doubt he overbets any kind of 2pair combo on this river, it does however look ALOT like a flush or T9 and he wants to get paid off big by a straight since you have a decent amount of 9x in ur range (A9, T9, 89, 99)
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      Old 08-24-2012, 08:37 PM   #4
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

      if you are not 3b this then it is a must check raise on the flop and im fine with just getting the money in.

      but yeah when you get to the river like this then its a trivial fold. the board runs out pretty good for your range and hes still overbetting. should send alarm bells if this guy has a clue at all
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      Old 08-25-2012, 02:23 AM   #5
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

      I didn't c/r because he barrels IP so often, if the board runs down better i have an ez calldown and i can get to see with what hands he is barreling with

      so what is the bottom of your calling range otr vs this guy? 2 pair? straight? Based on the QJ hand where he check-called turn it makes me think either has a flush or air here. His range looks extremely polarized to me, basically what Kris suggested
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      Old 08-25-2012, 04:57 PM   #6
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

      Pretty clear fold on the river, hes never overbetting with anything you have beat on this board. But on the flop i woud defo c/r because its kinda drawheavy with the option for a flush draw and a straight draw so i woud be really happy to get it in on the flop. And even if u jsut take the pot i woud be happy because i dont get into tough turn / river decissions.
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      Old 08-25-2012, 05:08 PM   #7
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

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      Pretty clear fold on the river, hes never overbetting with anything you have beat on this board. But on the flop i woud defo c/r because its kinda drawheavy with the option for a flush draw and a straight draw so i woud be really happy to get it in on the flop. And even if u jsut take the pot i woud be happy because i dont get into tough turn / river decissions.
      the problem is not to get it in on the flop or just taking down the pot, it is what you do when u get called and his draws hit. Now i can fold otr. If i had c/r otf he could have played perfectly by just calling w draw w implied since he is gonna get my stack when he hits but when he doesn't he can just fold.

      If i have better info on what he is calling, what he is 3betting a c/r w etc. i d be happy to c/r flop.
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      Old 08-25-2012, 05:39 PM   #8
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

      yeah i guess thats a good reason not to check raise flop

      just variance then that the board ran out like this but u def cant call imo
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      Old 08-30-2012, 08:39 PM   #9
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

      As played pre, I prefer C/R on this flop drawy.

      Turn, no problem.

      River, it's a snap fold IMO. It's not a good card for second barrel and river, all draws hit. Further, overbetting OTR w/ AIR is rarely in NL50.

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      Old 08-30-2012, 09:36 PM   #10
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

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      As played pre, I prefer C/R on this flop drawy.
      That is LOL bad for described villain
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      Old 08-30-2012, 11:39 PM   #11
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

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      That is LOL bad for described villain
      What ?
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      Old 08-31-2012, 10:48 AM   #12
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

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      What ?
      villain is described as a barrel happy reg, In which case he will continue to barrel on a ton of board run outs, If we check raise flop, we fold out all his air(most likely), and keep in hands that have us crushed, or draw hands that have solid equity against us.
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      Old 08-31-2012, 01:22 PM   #13
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

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      villain is described as a barrel happy reg, In which case he will continue to barrel on a ton of board run outs, If we check raise flop, we fold out all his air(most likely), and keep in hands that have us crushed, or draw hands that have solid equity against us.
      IMO, it's not a good board for just C/C. I know this player likes barrels but I prefer C/R OTF.

      On this spot, value+protection >>> bluff induce.

      If the flop was different, I would just C/C and keep all his range and let bluff him.
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      Old 09-01-2012, 12:29 AM   #14
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

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      IMO, it's not a good board for just C/C. I know this player likes barrels but I prefer C/R OTF.

      On this spot, value+protection >>> bluff induce.

      If the flop was different, I would just C/C and keep all his range and let bluff him.
      meh I guess I can see where you are coming from, so ill agree to disagree.

      What is your plan if he clicks it back? If he smooths and we get turn or any 7,8,6,J, brick.

      What size are you looking to make the c/r?

      p.s I hope these questions dont look as if they are trying to pick flaws in your line, I'm just interested in your thought process/other routes from my plan.
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      Old 09-01-2012, 12:58 AM   #15
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      Re: NL50-SRP-river overbet vs barrel happy aggro

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      villain is described as a barrel happy reg, In which case he will continue to barrel on a ton of board run outs, If we check raise flop, we fold out all his air(most likely), and keep in hands that have us crushed, or draw hands that have solid equity against us.
      I disagree. There's plenty of hands we get value from that call a c/r on this flop.
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