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Nl50. J2s - River decision. Nl50. J2s - River decision.

02-07-2015 , 08:56 AM
V: 53 hands, def bb 53%, c/r flop 15%, fold flop cbet 60%, 3b 11%

Hero (SB): $63.43
BB: $56.32

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J 2

Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.50, 2 players) 8 7 5
BB checks, Hero bets $1.79, BB raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.71

Turn: ($13.50, 2 players) 3
BB bets $9.00, Hero calls $9.00

River: ($31.50, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets $19.22

Flop: When he c/r me I dont se any options but just to call flop. He can have sets, 2par hands and 6x.

Turn: I just called.

River: Here are the interesting part of the hand. When he x river I just dont feeld like he having a boat here. Just like a 6x hand that is giving up or a sd hand like 8x that just want to go xback. I just not shure about to bet the when he is xback. In villians eyes my hand looks like a overpar. I can just not see him calling w 8x on river if iam going to bet.

whats about my river bet? or maybe just xback?

Thought? TY
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02-08-2015 , 07:02 AM
Do some range construction here.
Imo. best hand for villain: something like A8/K8/99-TT. Some nutted hands that try to induce bet from missed draw.
Now think which hands villain raised the flop with, and how is he doing with them OTR?
Hint: flush draws missed, a lot of the straight draws also.
Any reads on how villain plays his missed draws would help here, like is he the type of player who doesn't bluff rivers but gives up instead?
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02-09-2015 , 12:16 AM
You don't really rep anything since you should be checking a 7 back on that flop fairly often for balance purposes.
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02-10-2015 , 07:50 AM
yup, if you're betting, you're repping very narrow range, so you should mostly give up, and sometimes bet big (overshove) - because of that, with top range you can go for value with an overshove as well.
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02-10-2015 , 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tutejszy
yup, if you're betting, you're repping very narrow range, so you should mostly give up, and sometimes bet big (overshove) - because of that, with top range you can go for value with an overshove as well.
Do we not rep a overpar?
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02-10-2015 , 05:20 PM
first, that's still a very narrow range and second, most people @ nl50 zoom are too weak to vbet overpair here

If you wanna be vbetting overpairs and hands like A8 here, i recommed two sizings, 40% pot with thin value and some bluffs and then overshove with stronger value and some more bluffs (use bigger sizing for hands with blockers).

e: main reason for smaller sizing with thin value is the fact that you might be valueowning yourself against straights sometimes (yes, people x/c straight quite often in spots like this).
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02-18-2015 , 08:39 PM
I think your river bet is getting called fairly often at these stakes, if you wanna rep a 7 or a boat bluff jamming is best option or just XF river.
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02-19-2015 , 07:00 AM
we have pretty close to absolute bottom of our range here on this river so we're def gonna wanna bluff a lot when he checks. ppl are right to say we aren't repping tons...we're quite polarized here so bluff sizing should be bigger, other than that i think nh. we'd play nut hands same way
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02-22-2015 , 11:32 PM
I agree with everybody else. If you're going to bluff the river at all, you should probably jam
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02-23-2015 , 02:08 AM
Very very confused by river bet sizing used in game.
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02-24-2015 , 03:01 PM
I think we rep over pair pretty convincingly right up until we bet the river, although that bet size maybe does make it smell a bit more "overpairy".

I think our hand looks very much like what it is or some kind of nutted value slow play. So, even though our range seems capped at bluff catcher when we get TO the river, we kind of polarize it when we decide to bet.

IF we have history with villain that could make him believe we can value bet thin then i actually don't mind this line.

IF we have little history like that with villain I think we just have to hate life and give up.

IF we are going to bet river without a very specific "hero can value bet thin on the river" type history then this has to be a jam IMHO.

Readless/history-less; Give up > Jam > Smaller bet
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