Want to ask you, guys, is it standart here with tp to play on 100bb stack with raise flope and calling AI?
Or there are any best lines?

Opp 3b 20+%


$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
SB Hero ($55.43) 111bb
BB siete2983 ($52) 104bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is SB Q 9
Hero raises to $1, siete2983 raises to $3.50, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: 4 8 9 ($7, 2 players)
siete2983 bets $5, Hero raises to $12.50, siete2983 goes all-in $48.50, Hero calls $36

Turn: 8 ($104, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 2 ($104, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Personally, I would have to find a fold here. When he 3-bets pf and leads after being called, that tells me that top pair may not be good. Furthermore, he raised you on the flop. Sure it could be some sort of combo draw, but more times than not I am beat here. And if your opponent has say a flush draw with two overs, you are about 50/50 to win by the river. As played, I would probably call the flop and see what he does on the turn. With top pair here, I would like to get to showdown as cheap as possible to his aggression. Probably not putting too much more money in this pot though. GL at the tables.

Thanks. So on this board, if we call flop and on the turn we see that he builds betting line so that would push river, will you call Turn and river here?
The same price, but pot controlling?

I mainly call flop to see what he does on the turn. Most of the time, if he bets turn again, I am folding. Now if he checks turn, I am probably checking behind for pot control as well as calling off any blank rivers. If my opponent is willing to stack off on a nine high board, chances are good that nines are behind. who knows though, im a noob lol. gl

you can flat flop, but it's not the worst hand/flop combination to raise. once you raise you never fold flop. the above advice is awful; if you would like to follow it, i suggest you fold pre-flop.

samooth,

you mean call flop? What you will do if he bets turn and river?

is it about gothicstink answer? or about never fold after flop raise? I did not understand this moment too.

Raise/folding the flop is bad; folding to a double barrel on most turns is bad (exceptions are like the 7); and the decision to call or fold to a triple barrel depends primarily on the run-out.

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I would probably fold pre as a default but its close. If you know villain is barreling the flop >75% with reasonable turn cbet characteristics its a pretty clear fold pre. Problem is, that is exactly the type of villain you should be taking this line with, assuming he is sticky or hyper agro or both. Overall this is not a great play imo, you're rougly flipping vs fd+overs, T7hh, 67hh and even a slight dog I think to TJhh, QJhh, QThh and drawing very thin vs his entire value range. At 20%+ he could also have 16 combos of JT.

If we have a big sample and he bet reraises the flop in 3bp's 40%, or he's been seen shoving overcards or never folding to a flop raise it's probably a good play. Without those reads it really isn't.

edit: Qhi big draws are pair out dominated so there's less equity there but still not a great play imo.

Villain playing bad postflop is not a good reason to avoid postflop play.

Of course it's not. But in this case we have a hand that derives most of its preflop equity from all of the following: winning showdowns unimproved, pairing the kicker and making straights, many of which result from weak draws otf. This adds up to a hand that will have low ex showdown equity specifically vs a high % flop cbettor and higher ex showdown equity vs a lower % flop cbettor (and higher fold equity vs a reasonable opponent). At 3.5x we will not be priced in to call imo vs flop maniacs whereas we would be at 3 in most cases.

You may have an ultra refined game tree that proves me wrong, or you could invent counter examples at the fringes. But such facile arguments as the one you posted, or the one I posted for that matter, do little to enlighten us. Poker is math, not language. And the underlying truth is easily lost in translation.

language is math, not poker.

No.

If his turn cbet characteristics are reasonable, how often is he check/folding turn? Must be a heck of a lot, given flop cbet %. If your description is correct, you can probably call very wide pre, float a ton on the flop, and take it down a ton on the turn. I'd call a 3.5x 3bet with Q9o even against someone who I thought was playing very well. When someone has obvious leaks as villain, there is no reason to adjust by tightening up. I mean, it would be a different story if your read was that villain would specifically attack boards that Q9o misses, and slow down on the ones it hits, then go ahead and fold. That does not seem to be the case though.

Call and let him keep bluffing. Raising flop can be good against villains we think will jam over it with air/etc.

He checks more than 40% then folds 50% give or take 10% on both counts, which is too little but difficult to exploit without an insane sample size and notes. We just get barreled off too frequently or put too much money in. You make good arguments. They haven't changed my mind but really whether or not we fold Q9o here is of little import.

If you know his turn check fold frequency is hugely exploitable that can obviously change, but not as a default imo.

Getting it in on the flop isn't that bad. I would probably prefer a flat with Q9 and get it in with K9 and A9.

Q9o probably isn't a call preflop vs a 3.5x raise. It's definitely a call vs 3x. I tend to start dropping out the bad unsuited stuff vs a higher 3 bet which includes Q9o. I would still call K9o and A9o though. It's just that a lot of people 3 bet suited aces and kings so the Qx hands normally arn't doing too great vs that. If you are facing a 3 bet you're getting a good price on a call though, especially someone 3 betting a wide range. I don't think it's super +EV, it's just more +EV than folding. When you get 3 bet and you hold Q9o you're still going to be losing money overall (unless you are far more skilled than your opponent), calling just minimises that loss in some cases. Once you get bad odds on a call though you're better of taking the 0 EV of folding. A lot of these calls are like +0.2BB on the call etc so it's slightly better than folding and getting 0 EV. You still lost a tonne of money from the 2BB or 3BB you already put in. I think a lot of people don't realise that when they call 3 bets or flat 4 bets they are losing money a lot of the time, just slightly less money than if they folded.

Good poker is unbelievably high variance.

Don't surrender that inch, bro.

Why did you even flat this pre? Either fold or 4bet small to $8.

As played, call flop and turn and fold on a blank river. If the river brings a black ace, snap call (unless villain is good enough to 3barrel JJ for value even if an ace hits).

I was actually working on a spot like this with Q9o today vs an opponent similar to the one I described and it was still a pf call at 3.5x. But the EV was like .0003

did you consider the rake?

How did you calculate that EV from preflop to the river, can you expand on this ?

really dont get why u would wanna raise flop when villains range is overpair, overcards