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Old 08-20-2009, 06:44 PM   #1
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NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

Villain is relatively unknown, kinda splashy pre but not super aggro.

I pick up A3hh and pop it to 60.
Villain 3-bets to 220.
I flat.

579ss flop

Villain checks
I bet 275, villain calls.

Turn As

Villain leads 575...


I hate every option.
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:48 PM   #2
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

I think you need to post stack sizes here first.
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:49 PM   #3
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

Folding pre makes this a lot easier.
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:53 PM   #4
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

Shoving is probably the option I hate the least, but ya they all suck. I mean wouldn't he c/r a FD+1 or 2 overcards here? Probably just trying to rep the ultimate scarecard, probably has a lot of 8xKs/8xQs, etc.
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:55 PM   #5
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

urgh spot

what about checking flop? if he checking to c/f we can just barrel alot of turns and rivers

like villian never/very rarely has air here so its how often he spazzing with like 88s/66s/89s etc.. that he didnt C-bet for some reason

also i think its very close between calling/folding

shoving seems bad
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:55 PM   #6
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

call and call any non spade river...if i had to choose
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:59 PM   #7
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

i agree that you should fold pre if we're 100bb deep and don't have many reads.

on the turn, i can't imagine doing anything that isn't calling. He can def have random JT, 56, 67 type hands that see the As and decide to lead and win the pot right there.
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Old 08-20-2009, 07:10 PM   #8
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

folding pre is preference.

I have A3hh 108 bb deep.
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Old 08-20-2009, 07:13 PM   #9
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

I certainly call at the table. I think shoving is by the worst option.
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Old 08-20-2009, 07:34 PM   #10
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

I really don't think folding pre is preference unless dude is just 3betting like mad, but as you say he's not super aggro. I mean the title of this thread is "nasty spot". I'm really just not sure how you can profitably play A3s in a 3bet pot against an unknown or a really really good player either for that matter.
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Old 08-20-2009, 07:50 PM   #11
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

Preflop seems neither that good nor that bad. It just kinda is what it is.

Idk how I feel about the flop bet, which means it's probably whatever. On the turn I don't really see how we're ever good, but I probably call out of irritation.
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Old 08-20-2009, 08:10 PM   #12
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

i would fold pf because we don't have reads and are just 108bbs deep. on flop, i think its a standard bet because this a flop where villains usually c/f on 3bet pots, when they check. on turn i call, but not too happy about it. obv shove is worst option by far.
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

pretty sure i fold cause we're relying on our opponent both being retarded and also avoiding half the deck.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:27 PM   #14
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Re: NL2k -- nasty spot where all options suck

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I really don't think folding pre is preference unless dude is just 3betting like mad, but as you say he's not super aggro. I mean the title of this thread is "nasty spot". I'm really just not sure how you can profitably play A3s in a 3bet pot against an unknown or a really really good player either for that matter.
it is preference, and you can play it profitably in position. having A3hh and having other Axhh put us in virtually the same spot. obviously we'd like to have AJo here but pf is std. and i don't think it's worth discussing
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:28 PM   #15
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pretty sure i fold cause we're relying on our opponent both being retarded and also avoiding half the deck.
so what exactly are you continuing here with if we fold on one of the best turns for our hand? just AJo+?
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