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04-26-2014 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by samooth
if i remember you correctly, i appreciate you posting. however, even if x/jamming with TT here is best, i have no clue how it can be "infinite" best. maybe you were just exaggerating - if not, please explain.
prob its me, hope so because its cool, lol.

yes, i usually exaggerate so my bad. have written and deleted many times because i dont like making in-depth analysis so just gonna say this

The way I constructed my ranges in this spot, makes that TT goes into my x/r range, because i dont have a betting range. only x/c , x/r and x/f. (obviously this could change with more info). I feel that having a well balanced river x/r range its pretty tough without losing value from opponents that dont value bet enough. In this case just for being deep , and having that cbet sizing, and the way the board ran out, it makes a good candidate to having a x/r imo.

if u decide to bet: ur betting range OTR its 22,44,TT,, KT ,kk,33 ,A5,56,?(i guessed this- prob wrong-, and left all Kx or worse for x/c) u dont have enough bluff hands to be betting "that" big, and once u bet u have to call with KK+ (roughly) not to be exploited, so TT its really close.

been a long day, not sure if its clear, anyways, gl !
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04-27-2014 , 03:58 PM
lol at folding flop to this bet sizing
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04-28-2014 , 03:37 AM
It does seem hard to swallow that we should fold vs this sizing, >.5 pot and it gets a lot easier to see.
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04-28-2014 , 11:44 AM
anyone saying fold flop should be banned
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04-29-2014 , 08:39 AM
So what was the outcome?
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04-29-2014 , 12:49 PM
he folded
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04-29-2014 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by samooth
i agree with the thought process in general, but how many Tx combos are in villains range here? 100bb deep, i guess the typical 4betting range of a midstakes reg who 4bets something like AA-JJ(TT), AK, and bluffs roughly a 1:1 ratio contains maybe 1 or 2 combos of Tx on avg at most. would you mind giving some insight on what you think a well constructed 4betting range should look like 100bb deep, and how it changes when ~250bb deep?
100bb: TT+,AKs,AKo + offsuit hands with high card strength that are either barely too weak to call, or barely strong enough to call. Ratio of the two groups should be roughly 1:1, shifting slightly one way or the other based on bet sizing.

250bb deep, the "value" range should narrow somewhat, and the importance of "blockers" goes down, so our selection of "bluffs" should include fewer weak offsuit high-card hands (but not zero) and more suited/connected lower hands. The "polarity" of the range as a whole should also drop somewhat, with most of our 4-bet "bluffs" being hands that can profitably call. The overall size of the range should be somewhat wider than when we were 100bb deep, meaning that the "value":"bluff" ratio should go down to ~1:2.

The size of the 4-bet plays an enormous role in the sort of hands we should select. When 4-betting only 2.5x the 3-bet (with 250bb stacks), our overall range should be much "stronger" (favoring hands like JTs-54s rather than A9o-) than if we 4-bet 3x the 3-bet.
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04-29-2014 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Apoccd10I
lol at folding flop to this bet sizing
lol at calling flop to this bet sizing
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04-29-2014 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by alexo18
anyone saying fold flop should be banned
anyone saying call flop should be banned
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04-29-2014 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Spladle
anyone saying call flop should be banned
lol, this is just hilarious
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04-29-2014 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DREAMS_DONT_DIE
lol, this is just hilarious
so's your face
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04-30-2014 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Spladle
so's your face
its cos u post way too much on 2+2, ur really gd at the internet
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04-30-2014 , 10:54 PM
As played, isn't your range essentially capped? Given the amount of combos of A5/56 you going to have compared to your value range, seems like a good spot to shove for the villain, if he expects no herocalls.

And if you go with with river check line, why x/shove over x/c, don't we run into straights way more often then K3/herocalls?
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02-25-2015 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DREAMS_DONT_DIE
its cos u post way too much on 2+2, ur really gd at the internet
rofl


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Originally Posted by alexo18
anyone saying fold flop should be banned
I lol'ed at folding, but did KJemmy banned Spladdle for saying that?
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11-17-2015 , 01:33 AM
This seems easy call to me.
Not only will we beat any bluffs but also some value hands, plus villain could easily be overplaying something or making a thin vbet/range merge.
Also; if we fold TT what are we calling with?
Literally nothing?
Call
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11-17-2015 , 08:10 AM
I read it again this morning sober
I actually think it's close and that villain can't really be "range merging"
He oughta be super polarized here and that means you're bluff catching.
Do we know anything about his 4 bet range? What kinds of hands have we seen him check back turns w? How barrel happy is he?

I think it's close and I'd expect he has us beat a good % of the time but still think we ought to call the river. I'm not sure we have any better bluff catchers here and it's still possible he's value betting worse.

If villain has shown down Ace rag suited after 3 and four betting it's obv worse for us and if he maybe throws small pairs into his light re steal range (not that unlikely at this depth) the call looks better of course.

In a vacuum this seems like a call just based on having to bet -call a non zero number of combos but info about his 4 bet range construction and post flop game could turn this into an exploitive fold.

I'm gonna hate life and call w/out specific reads.
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