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Old 06-07-2012, 06:28 AM   #1
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nl100 river decision against reg

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Hero (BTN/SB): $116.55
BB: $163.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN/SB with J A
Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.00) 8 7 K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.00, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($22.00) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $16.00, Hero calls $16

River: ($54.00) A (2 players)
BB bets $42.00

villian c-r % is 18 OTF and 18% overall and so far i'm pretty sure his bet on the river is for pure value. have not seen him make big laydowns yet

i never raise the turn here usually to let the fish continue with their bluffs but this guy was a reg so do i shove here? but i really have to cooler him or he coolers me in this spot, if he has a flush im sure he bets the river as well..
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:07 AM   #2
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Re: nl100 river decision against reg

ship the nickels imo
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:21 AM   #3
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Re: nl100 river decision against reg

turn is a must call IMO. i shove now
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:44 AM   #4
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that's what i did but i timed downed to the last second and nearly timed out den decided shove > call
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:08 AM   #5
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Re: nl100 river decision against reg

Yeah man. Ofc this is a shove.
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:39 AM   #6
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that's what i did but i timed downed to the last second and nearly timed out den decided shove > call
the turn is a perfect bluffcard for him. He is likely to c/r a cpl of flushdraws / gutshots / etc, so i would guess, he is going to repp that flush with pretty much all his check/raised semibluffs with barreling turn/river. Thats why there is no reason to raise that turncard ever. You arent really scared of anything besides a K / 7...
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:34 PM   #7
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Re: nl100 river decision against reg

actually its the river decision here that i'm having a problem with, where i feel shove > call in the long run..
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:23 PM   #8
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turn is a must call IMO. i shove now
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:28 PM   #9
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Re: nl100 river decision against reg

Otr we need >50% equity vs. his value range to justify the shove, right?

So we can just compare combos of K7, 88, 87, and 77 vs. the number of flush combos in his range, assuming he never folds a flush. If there are more flushes it's a shove
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:52 PM   #10
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We need >50% equity vs his calling range, not just vs his value betting range.
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Old 06-08-2012, 02:24 AM   #11
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If you want to win at my win rate its spots like this that makes a big difference in how much you make in heads up. it depends on the opponent. A bad player says i have nut flush im all in cause he could have flush to. It depends if they will lead out and go for thin value with a hand that is not nutted. Some players don't they just check call. And only show aggression with the nuts. So in spot if hes that kind of a player i would just call here. But to give you a ratio thats like 2% maybe out of the 98% i play heads up id just call here. But there is players that i just call and they flip over the nuts every time and i save a ton of money. But i know there never leading unless there nutted. And i also know there not calling a raise very often unless there nutted. its just based on the player. And what your reads are. What you don't want to get caught up in is absolute range. Thats why most people dont' win at poker. i have 2 pair im all in. Or i top pair ace kicker im all in. it depends who your playing and what there tendancies are. If you think hes never betting unless he has the nuts it fine to just call here. But remember he has to be very nitty to do that. this board looks very dangerous so when he leads it is possible he has a boat. But i say 98% of the time im jamming. so im not saying calling is wrong here like these other guys. I dont play that way. I have nut flush im jamming it all depends. So remember that and you will make more mula.
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Old 06-08-2012, 02:40 AM   #12
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If you want to win at my win rate its spots like this that makes a big difference in how much you make in heads up. [....]
says the nl25 player...
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:04 AM   #13
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yo if you are so sure, just fold my hand when he leads the rivver. i think its better
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:13 AM   #14
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We need >50% equity vs his calling range, not just vs his value betting range.
Right - sorry, was what I meant.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:01 PM   #15
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