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NL 200 - Agro image, interesting turn spot, whats our plan? NL 200 - Agro image, interesting turn spot, whats our plan?

06-23-2009 , 03:24 PM
Opponent is playing 55% of sb's and 35% of bb's with almost all being flats.
Ive been playing 100% of sb's and 40% of bb's with actually 100% of it being flats.

Probably about 40 hands into a 1 tabling match. I have folded to zero cbets, and been super agro post OOP, and very very passive IP with almost no cbets. Weve had a few decent pots where i barrel/overbet him off hands.

I elect to flat pre, i dont want my first 3bet to be this hand, the way the match has been progressing id expect it to get a fair share of credit.

Flop im almost certain is best line, weve c/r a ton and hes gonna not going to fold much at all.

So the interesting street here is the turn, im not really planning on folding, but what line do you guys feel is optimal given the match dynamic?

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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SanIker (BTN/SB): $203.20
Hero (BB): $306.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with K A
SanIker raises to $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) K T 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, SanIker bets $8, Hero raises to $26, SanIker calls $18

Turn: ($64.00) Q (2 players)
Hero ?
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06-23-2009 , 03:32 PM
55/ship most rivers is my first thought seems like a great spot to do it given dynamic
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06-23-2009 , 03:47 PM
bet/bet for sure with your image. What are we doing if he ships over the turn bet though?
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06-23-2009 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by barnabus
bet/bet for sure with your image. What are we doing if he ships over the turn bet though?
yeah thats what came to mind.
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06-23-2009 , 03:58 PM
bet/call. bet blank rivers. He's calling or maybe shipping with all kinds of combo draws, or even bare FDs
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06-23-2009 , 03:58 PM
Also dislike pre. Even though you haven't 3 bet you will still get action..
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06-23-2009 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by barnabus
bet/bet for sure with your image. What are we doing if he ships over the turn bet though?
He's shipping worse a lot with that image. Way to many draws on the board to fold, and I wouldn't even if it were K72Q rainbow.
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06-23-2009 , 04:25 PM
1st 3bet in 40 hands seems bad if u want aggro image

seems like a rly standard bet bet or bet/call sucks if he had a straight?
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06-23-2009 , 04:27 PM
I'm not sure why you're overthinking these situations so much. Just 3bet pre. As played I'm probably pot controlling turn the minority of the time and betting the rest. I really am opposed to going broke here though.
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06-23-2009 , 04:58 PM
sick storm avatar. beast hero
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06-23-2009 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterLJ
I'm not sure why you're overthinking these situations so much. Just 3bet pre. As played I'm probably pot controlling turn the minority of the time and betting the rest. I really am opposed to going broke here though.
dont you think he 3bets most big hands on that flop? KQ I think he 3bets and I don't think he has just gutshots that much... I think his range for calling flop and getting this turn is flushdraws/pair + gutshot/ and weak tp type hands. If he does have hero beat I think he turned 2pair or has something very strong like a set. But if he thinks hero is getting out of line and barreling air I don't see why he wouldn't ship some of his semibluffs on the turn. b/f when we can't have AK seems gross as connected as the board is.

I would bet 45-50 on the turn too

btw weaver is the beastest hero.... storm is just good at running away
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06-23-2009 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortSharpShock
sick storm avatar. beast hero
i dont know why they keep buffing him
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06-23-2009 , 06:04 PM
Set up your ability to 3 bet. 3 bet junkier hands once in a while if you aren't getting any cards. It will make spots like these a lot easier.
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06-23-2009 , 06:15 PM
A 1/2 player is going to equate postflop "wildness" to preflop and you are definitely getting action. Probably more so than usual in all honesty, getting folds there is fine thats a big part of AKs bottom line preflop. You could flat something like QQ+ here but def not AK.

A turn bet I think has to be the best play tons of his worse hands are checking back here and IMO you have solid equity even if he shoves. If he calls you have the best hand so shove the river.
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06-23-2009 , 08:53 PM
Yeah I am wondering why you haven't 3bet yet 40 hands in? Especially if you have/want an aggro image and so you can 3bet here without worrying about him instafolding.
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06-24-2009 , 12:37 AM
Yea if you "can't" 3b AK you should have 3b whatever you had last BB.

Last edited by cwar; 06-24-2009 at 06:02 AM.
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06-24-2009 , 04:27 AM
c/c turn, (prolly) c/c riv

Last edited by SmityWrbn_ManJensn; 06-24-2009 at 04:28 AM. Reason: oh yea 3b pre ldo
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06-24-2009 , 06:44 AM
This hand would be so much easier to play in a 3bet pot.
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06-24-2009 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by WCGRider
Opponent is playing 55% of sb's and 35% of bb's with almost all being flats.
Ive been playing 100% of sb's and 40% of bb's with actually 100% of it being flats.

Probably about 40 hands into a 1 tabling match. I have folded to zero cbets, and been super agro post OOP, and very very passive IP with almost no cbets. Weve had a few decent pots where i barrel/overbet him off hands.
why?
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06-24-2009 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jennifer Garner
why?
Folded to no cbets because im hitting hands, flopping draws, bluffing etc.
Checking back a bunch in position because imo when you raise 100% of buttons you need to decrease your cbet freq because you will more often have nothing. Also when you check back more hands, he will start leading the turn wide. So you can start raising that and see how he responds, if he doesnt really fold to it then just start checking back big hands on the flop so you are going to be able to raise the turn. It just puts your opponent in a lot of wierd turn spots oop and is profitable imo. That siad i still cbet a good frequency of the time i was just running cold from the button so far and had air almost always postflop.
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06-24-2009 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterLJ
I'm not sure why you're overthinking these situations so much. Just 3bet pre. As played I'm probably pot controlling turn the minority of the time and betting the rest. I really am opposed to going broke here though.
I am not the heads up pro here obv, but it seems to me like there is way more value against this type of opponent with this type of dynamic, in flopping tptk and dominating him in a spot where he is certainly going broke with any top pair type of hand, but also going to continue with any draw, probably worse pairs, air etc etc. If we 3 bet, hes going to fold a majority of the time and we win 3 bb. I just think in a match that has had no 3 betting but very agro postflop play, that flatting is better.
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06-24-2009 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortSharpShock
sick storm avatar. beast hero
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Originally Posted by ggnoobs
i dont know why they keep buffing him
? hes a final not a hero
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06-24-2009 , 01:01 PM
i think the point is that people are getting it all in with top pair anyways, and rarely folding aces or kings. Make it easier for yourself to get the money in
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06-24-2009 , 02:08 PM
i like your flat call pre flop. imo would be a BIG mistake 3bet this hand w/ this history. and ya, that means you should 3bet your last BB w/ 82s, Q3o or w/e. i like your strategy, but you waited too much for first 3bet pf. you could 3bet w/ junk last hands and he will give a ton of credit.. even if he calls w/ pocket pairs or good SCs, he has to give credit to your cbet and your 2nd barrel (if he calls on flop). thats why i hate 3betting pf this hand in this spot. do this w/ 82o, but not w/ AK.

on flop standard c/r imo, on turn bet $42 and snap vs a shove. he could be shoving pair + oesd, maybe bare flush draw or do something stupid. if he just call on turn, shove river blank.
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06-24-2009 , 04:02 PM
It's great if he's folding pairs < top pair to multiple barrels because we miss the flop so often with Ak..
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