Threads seem to die after my posts Why? Someone please tell me. Thats not the purpose. Im just trying to stimulate to discussion. Someone please feel free to critizise what I wrote.
It's too advanced for most minds to handle. So much complexity and elegance interwoven in such a seemingly simple picture that explains a spot that can both be seemed as simple and intricate... it's just too much for simple minds. I have faith that one day though, you will see. As for the rest 2+2... well they are good at clicking buttons and writing messages and stuff.
It's too advanced for most minds to handle. So much complexity and elegance interwoven in such a seemingly simple picture that explains a spot that can both be seemed as simple and intricate... it's just too much for simple minds. I have faith that one day though, you will see. As for the rest 2+2... well they are good at clicking buttons and writing messages and stuff.
embarrassing as long as everybody in this subforum respects u so much.
im joking :P ; all questions will be answered in private. I will no longer give my input to a forum whose allegiance is so fickle that an instance of relatively benign wrongdoing out of my entire career is used to crucify and slander me (it's almost entirely NVG that does this and I've rarely been giving my input lately though to be fair)
WCG, most of what's going on here is just psychological stuff that you're not going to get help from here; you know it's weird that he checked back the turn then 3bet the river, he knows that looks weird, you know he knows that, etc.
Theoretically, he's got to win big pots a decent amount of the time if he checks back the turn with sets/2pair/hearts- if he's expected to turn bet so much of the time that checkbacks make river value 3bets so much less likely than 3bet bluffs, then he can do it, otherwise he's just gonna lose value. Nothing too crazy here.
The thing is, your c/r value range can be pretty thin, since he can bet/call lots of hands. Obviously we're assuming he's capable of bet/3betting if he's expected to betcall. Because you can c/r thin, he can just jam some of his hearts if the dynamic is right. Considering there aren't many Jx and Tx heart combos you can have here, Axhh might be the bottom of my calling range.
Dunno the state of 5/10 HU, maybe he's just bad and always shows you a weird 99.
How likely do you guys think villain will be pure bluffing this river?
How likely do you guys think he will value bet river with anything less than trips?
KQ is clearly one of the better candidates for a turn check back along with KK. Pretty interesting spot, because it's so rare to see people slow-playing the turn. Can't imagine ever finding a fold here, even though I really don't expect people to have a significant bluffing frequency on the river. Some people mentioned a river c/r being bad and betting being better, but I could not disagree more. This seems like the nut spot to c/r the river.
I think the biggest factors here (after given info) is the additional info of (1) whether villain is a good 5/10+ reg (or not) and (2) how many hands you've played.
Basically, if you can't confirm (1) and (2) isn't that high, it's a pretty easy exploitative fold I think.
Most players will at least sometimes have a boat here, albeit seldom. Not all players will ever bluff here.
Still really like this hand.. and stick w my response att. Another way of thinking about it is.. he's repping a very peculiar 3bet-value range against a very reasonably wide/strong-for-value river CR range. He has to think that you're likely to look him up often given that your entire value range is either snapping (boats) or heavily tanking (flushes).. ie. you've got very few easy folds (and if he wanted to just fold out easy folds, he could have made it smaller). So he's essentially counting on you to fold flushes when he's not very reputable wrt boats.. seems pretty far-fetched. And there's not even any triggering cards/blockers (you have Ah, he never has Qx..etc..) he could have that make sense for instigating a big river bluff.. He's basically only bluffing the river if he's very spastic.. something we either would have realized by now, or will soon find out as spastic players tend to continue to be spastic. I think it's actually a relatively easy fold against anyone decent that you don't believe to be potentially crazy in certain abnormal spots.
Also pertinent is that because he's never doing this with any blockers, if he ever is bluffing, we actually have a solid number of boats in our range relatively speaking.. (in fact it's possible that even if we're just calling with boats, his bluff might *still* lose money..) and thus we wouldn't be exploitable etcetc..
He's basically only bluffing the river if he's very spastic.. something we either would have realized by now, or will soon find out as spastic players tend to continue to be spastic.
really liked this part of your thought process, good way of accessing a spot like this
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Why? Someone please tell me. Thats not the purpose. Im just trying to stimulate to discussion. Someone please feel free to critizise what I wrote.
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