Had this hand happen the other day. I rarely post hands on 2+2 because I feel like the majority of responses are pretty unhelpful and not very well thought out, but i think this is a somewhat interesting hand.

Opponent is opening fairly tight, roughly 72%, and is betting a lot of flops and a decent amount of turns. In single raised pots he bets the flop 80 and the turn 55. Hes shown down a couple barrels as a bluff where he gaveup the river but we havent had too many major hands.




Seems pretty ridiculous to have a boat here, I mean how does he not bet hands like Q9 on the turn? Do people really check hands like that back on the turn? Does that mean if hes barreling on these type of board textures its almost only bluffs? I find this spot to be kind of confusing.

I dont think he can really go nuts for value here with a lower flush, I guess he might be able to put me on Qx, but this would be certainly be a hand that would be unable to pay off a reraise.

Does anyone here call? fold? Seems pretty unreasonable in general.

Interesting hand for sure.

You didn't say whether villain was a reg or recreational type player which should influence our decision here. Fish can check back the turn here very strong, where as regs should have no boat combos taking this line.

I'd call vs regs and fold vs fish. And make a note of results regardless of whether they have u beat or not.

Thought a lot about it. Think you will see more spastic bluffs than tricky turn lines, as he has to both get good rivers for it and actually have you bet or cr for him to gain a lot of value by beeing tricky.
Also, the only case where it doesn´t matter if he reps anything is if he thinks you are bluffing.

If it's a reg, I don't see anything besides KQ and JThh for value, and he's definetly gonna have enough bluffs. Look him up. If it's a fish, just fold.

Interesting Hand. I think its pretty important to look at our range from villains point of view as well. You said that he didnt bluff the river very often, so you probably would have c/r any set, and KJ+ type of hand on the flop to get the most value right? At least that is a possible way of thinking considering his point of view, if hes a thinking player. So your your range will be some flushes, QT,QJ. I cant think of any bluff in your range after villains and your line. The most important point though is, that most of your valuerange cant call a shove, why its pretty good to shove here as a bluff.

-> so i'd call

my whole post is useless if villain is a fish, since he could play easily play the nuts that way

Combinatorically, my following statement is obviously contradictory, but based on his line, I almost expect to see J10 more than boats... How the **** does sets/2-pair c/back the turn?

you never have a flush and a boat in his eyes. call.

^^lol wat

i don't think i can bring myself to fold, but it sure feels like one

whats the possibility of him checking back JThh ott in a SRP without any special dynamic going on??

Idk what the c/r dynamic was, but I assume you were c/r most good draws and strong value at least. Therefore your perceived range for getting to this river is capped at Qx and perhaps JTo that you flatted.

I really expect him to almost never show up with better here, and if he did, well then I guess he owns me but if hes barreling turn 55% and not barreling 2 pair, hes gonna get crushed later on.

I'd def call

IMO villain can be valueshoving worse here...QThh QJhh make sense for villain given that u prob c.r Ahxh this deep....

Ofc it's heavily discounted that we hold flush with that given checkraising dynamic, but we are still gonna have A high flush and straight flush some of the time, plus we have Q9. So i don't think he has anything for value besides JThh and KQ (not a bad thing to check it back sometimes given that it's top 2, if you still barreling other 2 pairs/sets), so he's not gonna get crushed by you in future
But still not folding.

Really? What is he hoping you will look him up with? With case Q ? What else???

Gonna be hard to have those given the river.
If he is checking back turns with 2pair+ with a high enough frequency for it to be a highly relevant consideration on this river, then he will be HIGHLY exploitable.