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50NL - KK - Can I fold over pair? 50NL - KK - Can I fold over pair?

05-28-2010 , 09:10 AM
Villain 30/0/23 - 300 hands

SB: $60.50
BB: $63.10
UTG: $50.00
Hero (UTG+1): $70.00
MP1: $50.85
MP2: $80.70
CO: $35.65
BTN: $29.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+1 with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, CO calls $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) 5 2 T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, CO folds, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($26.25) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50

River: ($37.25) 4 (2 players)
BB bets $17, Hero calls $17

Should I fold the river, or to play differently?
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05-28-2010 , 09:15 AM
I'd 3bet the flop. As played I think its fine. For some weird reason flop minraises are FOS(by FOS I mean weakish hands betting for info) and turn minraises are the nuts. Fish are bizarre. I like to get notes early on how a fishy guy will play a draw or top pair, makes this decision way easier.
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05-28-2010 , 09:19 AM
Either re-raise the flop or play this hand as you did.

What did you think opponent had as you played this hand?

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05-28-2010 , 09:47 AM
Not against these bets you can't... This looks more like JJ/QQ or something with those low bets on turn and river.
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05-28-2010 , 09:52 AM
I thought it something like: 50% set, 30% over pair and 20% flash drow or bluff.
I decided to call turn and river.
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05-28-2010 , 01:25 PM
3bet flop. And cash out the monies.
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05-28-2010 , 02:13 PM
You guys cant think 3 betting this flop is the right play. This guy is super passive. He has a set here all day everyday but i still think calling the min raise on the flop is the right play. Call the gay turn bet then fold to the river bet. A small percentage of the time villian may have a FD here but this type of passive fish almost always has the goods on the flop. His gay turn bet is just to keep you from folding.
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05-28-2010 , 02:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanekpv
I thought it something like: 50% set, 30% over pair and 20% flash drow or bluff.
I decided to call turn and river.
think 50% set is way too high. thinka fish bets more on turn with set bc hes scared of flush draw.
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05-28-2010 , 02:19 PM
i play it the same.
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05-28-2010 , 03:00 PM
Hmm passive dude getting aggressive, they usually have it. I can't find a fold here though especially against those fishy bets.
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05-28-2010 , 03:06 PM
I actually like how you played it exactly.
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05-28-2010 , 03:40 PM
Just looking at hand combinations and no stove, it is close. I agree fish up and bets is most likely a set. Combos:55(3 combos),22(3 combos),tt(3 combos),jj(6 combos),qq(6 combos),aa(6 combos). The more likely villain is to take this line with AT(which I think he would) or fd (which I don't think hed do) the more likely we should raise. so raising flop may be thinly better but as played is perfectly fine IMO
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05-28-2010 , 04:30 PM
We're folding if that last bet had been pot-sized instead right?
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05-28-2010 , 04:56 PM
vnh...seen too many min raises that were not monsters to fold this.
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05-28-2010 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rAv
Hmm passive dude getting aggressive, they usually have it. I can't find a fold here though especially against those fishy bets.
do we know he is passive?
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05-28-2010 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SammyG-SD
do we know he is passive?
"Villain 30/0/23 - 300 hands"
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05-28-2010 , 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rAv
"Villain 30/0/23 - 300 hands"
those are preflop stats.
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05-28-2010 , 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SammyG-SD
those are preflop stats.
Well yea, but passive players preflop tend to be passive players allround, no?
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05-28-2010 , 07:03 PM
3 bet flop and call shove. Can't fold as played. 33/0 some times have tt here but kt AT qt qq jj all beatable. If he has set just tell him thanks for saving you money
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