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Old 01-25-2010, 07:59 PM   #1
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Low Limit HUSNG

Hello to all,

My name is You.

Few weeks ago i started to play HUSNG. My start BR was $250 and slowly it become to $25.. what a shame huh? :/
Eniveis, i can just go back playng MTTs, but i don't like to give up so i came here, to get help. Because i really like playng husng and i want to improve my game.

So my question is: If im gonna make a video of my game.. lets say about 10-20 min long, is someone gonna watch this video and analysis my game and after that post here my leaks etc.. ?
E: Sorry for my bad english.

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Old 01-25-2010, 08:03 PM   #2
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Re: Low Limit HUSNG

I probably can't help you much but I'll definetly watch it and point out obvious stuff.
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:08 PM   #3
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there are a bunch of husng vids on this forum, check the FAQ and do some searches and then compare your game to theirs
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:11 PM   #4
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where are these videos ? i m interested also . good to see what beginners are watching
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:12 PM   #5
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This is beautiful.

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So my question is: If im gonna make a video of my game.. lets say about 10-20 min long, is someone gonna watch this video and analysis my game and after that post here my leaks etc.. ?
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:12 PM   #6
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yea I'll watch your video. Put it on megaupload or youtube and post the link in a thread.
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:15 PM   #7
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Quick question, did you follow proper BRM?
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:19 PM   #8
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Re: Low Limit HUSNG

Wow, good to see that someone want to help.

And about videos here.. Yes, i watched videos, not lot but still. And ofcoors i readed some stradegy about etc. A and i also readed spamz0r HH review. Reading this was very boorin, but very useful.

But im gonna quickly buy a mic today, make video, upload this, and then im gonna post it

Thanks to all.

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Old 01-25-2010, 08:19 PM   #9
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Quick question, did you follow proper BRM?
Yes. Started play $5 then $2 and now im on $1
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:18 PM   #10
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Play less hands OOP

(I do realize that I haven't seen your video yet, but it's a standard leak a lot of people at the 5s/10s have.)
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:24 PM   #11
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(I do realize that I haven't seen your video yet, but it's a standard leak a lot of people at the 5s/10s have.)
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Clairvoyant :P
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:28 PM   #12
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Clairvoyant :P
Hehehe, not really...but it's a big mistake I made when I was playing the 5/10s.

Start off with the following range and go from there (after you get more comfortable playing OOP):

- Any pair
- T9o+ (if he's minraising), J10o+ (if he's 3x'ing)

Adapt this range depending on how loose he is. If he opens 100%, calling with T9o is a no brainer, if he's opening only 40% of buttons, J10o is probably better.

It's better to be too tight than too loose OOP until you're comfortable playing OOP.
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:02 PM   #13
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Ty.
Your tip gave me a lot.
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Old 01-26-2010, 12:00 AM   #14
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just post it, some ppl are going to watch it.
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Old 01-26-2010, 12:11 AM   #15
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Eniveis, play as much as you can thats the best way to improve. from trail and error.
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Old 01-26-2010, 06:45 AM   #16
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Re: Low Limit HUSNG

So i made a video, i finished this. Now its rendering i think about.. 1H and then i must upload it, i think this take ca 30min. Video is 20 min long. Hope that someone can spend ur pricless time on my s****i vid :/
I was pretty nervous talkin there, and in someplace i told 'raise but correct is 'bet, but that is not important. Important is to discover my leaks etc. So im gonna edit if its uploaded.
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:56 AM   #17
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And here it is..

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BK5PBKGO


I am now waiting..
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Old 01-26-2010, 08:30 AM   #18
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Re: Low Limit HUSNG

I'm new to HUsng's aswell (at least as my main game). Playing a little week or so, trying to work my way up from the 5's all the way to... Wherever. It's going prety well so far, I hope I can make it to the 10's at the end of this week.

When I'm off work, and @ home I'll try to watch your vid.

Looks almost impossible though, to go broke on those limits with a 250$ roll. At least that's what I experience, since villains mostly are realllllly bad.
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Old 01-26-2010, 12:41 PM   #19
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Here is some thoughts from me about that A-5s and J-4 when you check-call those turns and bet at river. I think it would be better ti just c/r turn and shove river in both situations.
But yeah i'm only a beginner of husng's so don't put too much value on these thoughts
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Old 01-26-2010, 08:30 PM   #20
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Okay. This is just a review of the first match you played. More later.

Q2o at 2:10 --
Folding pf is fine, so is calling or raising. The value of the last two is that they immediately begin to show you how your opponent reacts to a button limp by you, or if you raise, how he responds pre- and post-flop (you should fire a c-bet on almost any flop during your first raised pot.) My point is that gathering information early is so precious (and relatively cheap) that I don't mind using the first hand (even if it's trash) to begin that process.

A6cc at 4:30 --
Your pf raise is fine. Flop is QJ8hh. You c-bet 1/2 pot. I prefer checking back. Normally I think it's okay to fire a lot of c-bets against low stakes players who are often calling too much from the BB and playing fit-or-fold on the flop. But this particular flop is just so draw-heavy. This means even passive villains will flop too many hands (draws, pairs, pairs + draws) that can continue or even play back at our c-bet. So I check back on this exceptionally dangerous flop and see what happens on the turn. If villain checks the turn and the turn card is safe, I might bet like 2/3rds pot. This will sometimes get me value from flush draws or straight draws that don't really have odds to draw on the turn, but call anyway. And stronger hands will have usually bet the turn, so I feel much less likely to be betting into a trap on safe turn cards when the villain has checked two streets to me. Still, your flop c-bet is not a big mistake by any means against the average $2 player -- they'll still check/fold plenty. It's just a better idea to check back with A6cc there.

JTo at 4:56 --
Villain limps into your BB, you make it 3x. I think this is fine. Making it 3.5x or 4x is more standard, but that's just nit-picking. I expect a lot of villains to call your 3x raise with a fairly wide range (that includes weaker and dominated hands) and to fold often when you c-bet on a lot of flops. Not to mention that JTo flops decently anyway.

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You raise with Q5o, c-bet a 247ss flop and double barrel the Ah turn. I would play it the same. The turn card is too good not to fire again. And your bet sizes look okay to me. Villain check/min-raises the turn. The value hands I expect him to have here are like A5, AsXs, flopped or turned 2 pair. We're obviously folding, but we need to keep an eye on his aggression frequencies. If he keeps attacking us like this, adjustments should be made. But for now, I'm willing to give him credit.

J5ss at 6:18 --
This to me is the first play you make in this match that I clearly disagree with. Villain limps into your BB, you check, flop is 54Thhh. You check, villain bets 60 into 40, and you call. I don't like it. Just check/fold here. A lot of turns and rivers will be quite hard to play profitably. We're out of position, we have a weak middle pair, no re-draws, and an opponent whose aggression is a little difficult to pin down at the moment. And it's not like our hand is even that far ahead of his semi-bluffs. His semi-bluffing hands (the ones that have just one heart in them) often have two overcards to our 5 as well, and/or a secondary (backdoor) straight draw of some kind. In short, your flop call is just way too marginal when we look ahead to the turn and river.

One thing we are noticing is that our opponent over-bets fairly often. It's not easy to figure out exactly when or why he does this. My guess at this point in the match is that he's mostly doing it for value with hands he's afraid to play to the river with, in case you suck out. So earlier he limp/shoved pf -- this is often going to be an AK/AQ or low/med pair type hand that only wants to play one street of poker. (It's also sometimes a crude trap with JJ+.) And here he over-bets the flop on a three-heart board and fires huge on the blankest of turns when you call his flop bet. Again, my guess is he's doing this for value/protection with like top pair or flopped two pair or something of that nature. But we should keep our mind open and see what happens as the match continues. There could be a significant element of randomness in his actions. Our job for now is to continue playing solid poker.

(Okay, wow, I wrote the above after pausing your vid when he over-bet the turn. I just clicked play and your vid shows him flashing T8o after you fold. So he's generously provided us with some confirmation of our analysis of his over-bets.)

66 at 8:48 --
Okay, here is where I would start taking a different sort of line against this guy post-flop. His weird style of aggressive play (overbets, slow-plays followed by over-bets, min/check-raises, limp/shoves) is a little hard to predict. And it's happening often enough that we're beginning to wonder if he's including some daring bluffs in there as well. So: my plan post-flop will change to help me deal with this. One pattern we are noticing is this: when we c-bet and he folds, no problem; when we c-bet and he calls, he becomes unpredictable on the turn and river. He can check-raise our turn bets. He can call them and lead over-bet the river. To me, this means that I should do things differently after he calls my c-bet on the flop. I should change how I double barrel. I will now only double barrel strong hands that are okay if he shows aggression, or pure bluffs that have found a great turn card or texture to double barrel on. But mostly I'm double barreling less. So with 66 on a Kc2c5d2d, I would check back the turn. This makes it easier and less expensive to consider calling him on certain rivers if he lead bets. It also theoretically increases his bluffing range, because we showed weakness and/or slowed down on the turn. We also have less chips invested in the pot when we does something we're not quite comfortable calling, like shove his stack in on the river.

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Limped pot, you guys check it down to the river. Board is 2AK37. You bet pot on the river. Make it less, I think. Help him find a call with 2x or 3x. (Or Q high?)

22 at 9:42 --
Your stack is 1145, blinds are 15/30. So you have 38 BBs. You raise 3x pf with 22. I actually prefer switching to 2x-ing pf against this guy, especially if we're shorter than, say, 45 BBs. It makes pots cheaper for us to play, and makes his weird out-of-position aggression less expensive for us to handle, and more costly for him (in terms of risk/reward ratio) when it finally goes wrong. Also, I sympathize with your call on the river, but I recommend just folding there. Board is way too ugly and he could be betting too much of it for value (or even as a blocking bet.) It's not worth calling just to see his hand, in my view.

A9o at 10:21 --
Okay, so obviously he's running like Jesus against you. It's his second limp/shove after a long sequence of aggressive plays against you. I don't really see how you can fold pf here, unless you're extremely disciplined. I mean, we know he's probably limp/shoving for value, but we're short enough and his aggression rate has been high enough that it's hard not to call here.

Tough match. But that's how variance rolls. In reviewing this match, I would just focus on places I could have played better, and differentiate them from places where I kept running into the top of his range, which he seemed to hit over and over again.
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Old 01-26-2010, 09:21 PM   #21
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Re: Low Limit HUSNG

Thank You very much lagdonk. I really glad and thankflul for ur time.

Again, it gave me so much new information. I wonder why i didin't came here before..

Thank you.
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:26 AM   #22
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Match 2. (Same villain as match 1.)

A5hh at 12:24 --
He limps, you 3x it pf. I wouldn't do this against this villain. Or even in general. I normally prefer to value raise out of position preflop with hands that have pair-flopping potential; for example, any two cards 9 or higher. That way we're relatively happy when we hit a pair, can do so with either hole-card, and can also flop two over-cards on many occasions. With a hand like A5, the 5 is not doing much for us flopping-wise. Also, we know this guy can suddenly start putting in large bets post-flop, and rarely folds preflop, so I prefer to keep the pot smaller with A5 and get to the flop cheaply when out of position.

Anyway, flop is 894hh. You c-bet 80 into 120, he min-raises to 160. Calling is fine. The turn is the 7h. You check, he bets 180 into 440, and you call. I don't like it. Look at the board: 8h9h4d7h. It's scary now and will only get scarier (for him) on the river. Also, villain is the type who will put in chips on the flop or turn just to see if his hand can improve by the river. So we need to inflate the pot before then. Either bet the turn yourself or check/raise him to like 435. This gives him a chance to put more chips in and feel tied to the pot when you shove on the river. I'm actually not sure what the best check/raise size is on the turn vs this guy. Is he bad enough to call an even bigger check-raise, like to ~575, with a too-wide range? Or even a check/shove? After all, he could have a pair + heart, or pair + straight draw, or something similar that he's never folding until he sees the river. Just build the pot on the turn. Your stack should be going in by or before the river whenever possible.

KTcc at 14:20 --
Easy fold when he shoves over our 3x pf raise, especially given what we know about him.


Match 3. (New villain.)

A9o
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You raise pf for 3x, villain folds. Your notes say he's a nit who 3-bets tight. So I think we should begin the match by opening a lot of buttons for 2x, not 3x. We lose less when he 3-bets. We pick up his blinds for a cheaper price. And when he does call us pf with his stronger range, the pot is smaller and we have more room to maneuver post-flop, make cheap stabs, play more streets, etc.

64o at 17:29 --
Open this pf for 2x. Open a lot of hands pf for 2x against this guy, with an expectation of good results. If he starts adjusting in a way that hurts us, we can switch to something else pf.

36ss at 18:03 --
Limped pot, you flop a flush and lead for pot. I think leading your flush is fine, but I might bet like 25 or 30 into the 40 pot. In fact, I noticed that you click 'bet pot' often when you're firing the first bet in a limped pot. This sometimes works against you, because you do it with like 3rd pair or 2nd pair on a dangerous board, and your pot-sized bet discourages weaker hands from calling. It's better to bet closer to 1/2 pot when going for thin value with marginal pairs in limped pots, especially when you're betting on the river.

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Villain limps, you raise 3x, flop is QdKd4s. You c-bet 60 into 120. All of this is fine. Villain raises you to 160. This is where you fold. Instead, you decide to call to "see one more street." Why? Your notes say he's a nit. So he's probably not bluffing us with nothing on this flop texture. We're out of position, so it's much harder to float his flop raise efficiently. And consider how unreliable our outs are. A diamond Ace doesn't look good. Even an offsuit Ace makes a straight for T9. And hitting our 8 is meaningless. This should be a very easy c-bet/fold on the flop vs this guy. Even if he's semi-bluffing with diamonds, he has a million outs (in the form of pairs or diamonds) *and* position on us on the turn and river. Or imagine even that he's turning a Q or 66 into a bluff for some reason. He's still ahead of us. And can give us trouble on later streets.

J4o at 19:34 --
Limped pot, flop is Jc2Tc. You lead for pot. It's okay, but I prefer checking here. I do this because I don't like the ratio of calls/folds/raises that this possibly nitty villain might respond with. If he raises, I'm not very secure for the rest of the hand. And I worry that he folds too often otherwise to make up for the problem we encounter when our bet is raised. But if I check on the flop, I give him a chance to feel more confident about betting his Tx, or his 2x, or any draw, or his air. Then I check/call on the turn, or if the turn goes check/check, I fire a value bet on a lot of rivers. With a hand like JT or better, I'm happier leading the flop and calling a raise. Anyway, as played, he raises your lead to 120, you call, turn is 4d, and you check/call his turn bet. I think a check/raise is better. We've hit 2 pair on the turn and our opponent is showing quite a bit of interest in the pot. So let's build it up on the turn with a check/raise, which will allow our river bet to be that much bigger. Also, if our opponent has a strong draw here, like 89cc, he's putting in a lot of money now, but no more on the river if he misses. Not that the line you actually took is "bad" or "unprofitable"; far from it. But I think a turn check/raise has a better result overall.

* * * * * *

I hope you found the commentaries helpful. They're probably not sufficient in themselves to fix or reverse whatever it is that caused you to have problems and keep moving down in HUSNGs. I didn't find your overall play in these three matches to be particularly bad or flawed; there were just a few places here and there. On the other hand, I didn't really get to see how you approach the end-game phase of a HUSNG, which can be crucially important for win-rate, and I didn't really see how you play other important spots, like 3-bet pots, or 30 BB to 18 BB stacks, and so on.

So if you decide to continue trying to improve at HUSNGs, post specific hands and spots and start getting feedback from the forum regulars.
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Again, thank you very much for job you done. Its very important and useful for me. And about feedback.. yes, ofc im gonna post any questions to iprove my game. I'm not ready to give up
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