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I'm a drooler - can I beat micros HUNL? I think not I'm a drooler - can I beat micros HUNL? I think not

10-25-2016 , 03:46 PM
I have a youtube channel pretty much dedicated to low stakes HUNLH. I do some other stuff and some overall conceptual videos but a lot of emphasis on low and micro stakes HU.

I don't have a graph for you, but you can watch my bankroll challenge on there. I started with nothing but FPP's after cashing out. I turned a free roll into $2.89 and ran that up playing tiny stakes to, eventually, $2 HUSnG's, to $5, to $10 HUSnG's and once i rolled it over $500 I cashed it out to start again (second time didn't go as well, i'm out of FPPs and only have $9.00 so, we will see) but it's all still coming from just a $50 deposit years back so..

Oh, go to YouTube and type in Navonod and it'll get you there pretty surely but officially it's Navonond on NLH
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10-25-2016 , 08:53 PM
If your videos were ring games instead of sng's I'd watch them all.
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10-26-2016 , 02:13 AM
Thanks Donovan will check it out.

I want 2 heads up , your entire perspective is just false if you play play chips. I really don't understand why you don't just play real money. It's silly to say you can beat any real money tables - poker is very very deceptive to you about how good you are. Any ways. Vs. a 100% bu open I would prob play 65-75% vs a min raise. 50-65% vs 3x I think. But it depends on other things too including post flop aggression.


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10-26-2016 , 01:56 PM
Your must be honest with yourself, there are two types of players, players who play for the money and the players who are playing in order to become better gamblers.
So?
We are all waiting for you ...
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10-27-2016 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick_AA
It's silly to say you can beat any real money tables
I can't even win at playchips.

So those %'s are how often you call or 3b?
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10-27-2016 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Iwant2headsup
I can't even win at playchips.



So those %'s are how often you call or 3b?


Oh I thought you were saying you crushing play chips.

That was the percent I continue. Both 3b and call. 3b depends on opponent but almost always top 15% as default.



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10-27-2016 , 01:08 PM
This is pure art.
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10-28-2016 , 03:49 AM
I sense a HU4Rollz coming
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10-28-2016 , 08:52 PM
seems like suicide when guy is winning 100-150bb/100.

and other guy is a complete loony tune miscreant
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10-29-2016 , 12:57 AM
Sometimes you just gotta play the luck of the draw
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10-29-2016 , 07:32 AM
That's how the tough cookie crumbles
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10-31-2016 , 12:40 PM
OP are things going better? How many tables do you usually get going? I'm losing all hope that I can ever beat 1c/2c in this thread. Are you still playing everybody that sits you?

HU4playchippees anyone?
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10-31-2016 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Iwant2headsup
OP are things going better? How many tables do you usually get going? I'm losing all hope that I can ever beat 1c/2c in this thread. Are you still playing everybody that sits you?

HU4playchippees anyone?
It's going better I have to say, although not great. Still don't follow correct BRM. Think I'm going to do a small challenge in PC&G to play 30k hands at Break Even or Positive. I think that's good enough for me for now since rake is so high it would be an accomplishment. In that thread I will post some upside down giraffe graphs to show how ****ty I am, so maybe I can get a most improved award LOL

I think I'm "ready" to "take it to the next level" (as cheesy as that sounds). Most players I am beating now and have some good strat vs. each type I encounter (ya I play anyone who sits). However, still have some nightmare sessions vs. some super aggressive players who will not ****ing fold and I lose my **** trying to make them fold and end up losing like 10 buy ins in 200 hands LOL. Though I'm starting to realize I need to just settle down and when it feels like they're dominating/crushing me it's almost always that they're just on a heater so just play showdown strength, don't inflate pots, and don't freak the **** out to much.

I think a challenge will help me focus on that rather than spewing trying to get these donkeys to fold.

Last edited by Nick_AA; 10-31-2016 at 05:15 PM.
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10-31-2016 , 07:45 PM
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(ie: 10bb/100 = .20 cents or 10% of a stack after what 30 minutes of play? and that's a huge winner lol wtf).
It's way worse than that too because you might be paying up to 20bb/100 in rake. Most people have no concept of how sensitive their WR is to any change in their opponent's ability at that rake level.

The best thing you can do is estimate the value of leaks. That's hard to do and takes a lot of time because it involves simming a bunch of real world data in CREV, but it's the gold standard. If you can estimate leak values somewhat accurately, you can estimate whether you have an edge on an opponent or not. So you can set your minimum WR then add a 5bb/100 margin of error and you'll be effectively guaranteed to never lose.

But most players probably aren't going to do that. What's imperative is to recognize in high rake HU games that you absolutely can't ever play someone who is even close to generating optimal frequencies. In HUNL frequencies are coin of the realm, range texture is a distant afterthought.

The simplest possible way to put that concept into action is that if someone seems good to you, there needs to be a very specific, very large leak you're attacking. Otherwise you and your opponent will both be reduced to "good consumers" (suckers leaking cash to the house).

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I think it comes down to....I need to learn to ****ing FOLD FOREVER until it's obvious I shouldn't fold.
That's a huge oversimplification but it's slightly more right than wrong. The sub-conscience seems to do a not-horrible job of handling complex statistical problems. In fact that's what stereotyping is. So another good rule, while lacking a better one, is probably just to follow your instincts.

P.S. like a lot of new players, your thought processes are very noisy. Always try to define the problem with maximum precision.
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