weird.

Why does everyone hate each other?

wut? can't read anymore either? was just trying to help you not leak your monies away.

lol

I think saying he cant show up with KQ/KJ here is unrealistic.

just... wow.

if you think this, then how can 5betting AK possibly be bad? Do you think he's 4betting KQ for value and folding it to your 5bet?

All I'm saying is that I'd probably call with four kings but with three kings I'd tank.

The reason I call with AK and fold KT sometimes is to have an optimal call/fold frequency. If we decide AK is good enough for a call, and reason that it is equivalent to some other hands, then we will end up just calling all those hands every time, and become too loose. This is easier to deal with than calling everything, then dealing with the dynamics.

I'm not talking about this hand in particular, and I've read a few great threads in which balancing is theoretically important, yet against almost all opponents when we come across a certain spot, operating in a vacuum is generally optimal.

Maybe this approach just helps me? I'm open to being wrong or at least recognizing an easier way to think.

Also, cftw:

"I didn't say I'd want to 5-bet 45 on this flop--I said I'd RATHER 5-bet 45 to 4275 instead of AK. Obviously I'd jam 45 if I were to 5-bet it, but I would not be in this spot with 45 anyway."

I neglected to clarify this; basically what you said is what I believed you thought, and I wasn't directing the "bet/call draws sucks" at you.

I wasn't directing my comment about 45 jamming at you; it was to Pasterbator. Also, I didn't feel the need to explain why I'd call AK and fold KT as I didn't really care about this hand in the first place except from a pure monetary standpoint. There is no content in it for me to learn, so I think we can stop analyzing it as we should all know where we stand. PM me if you have questions or w/e, but I'd rather not write more publicly about it.

THATS WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT!!

Just for the record, I think a silverback gorilla could destroy a bear in trivial pursuit and in a fist fight.

lol

cftw: one of many to win 200K, one of one on the mountaintop.

finally an argument that might have some merit.

ZING

i got it medium this time, but it was on the medium rare side. I usually eat my steaks well done, but i'm tryin to open up my taste buds a bit, plus when u are paying 30.00+ for some steakaments, u should get some taste out of it, not hockey puck it imo.

No i dont think hes folding KQ ever, but 5betting eliminates his chances of bluffing. you are gonna eat his Kx that plays this way no matter what the turn is.

^^^lololol

Ok, this I understand, and I guess running frequencies by hand values is as good a method as anyway, but if I'm reading this right, you're saying that what you're doing in calling AK and folding KT is no different than calling AK half the time, folding it the other half, and doing the same thing with KT.

Correct?

Personally, I still think most villains can show up here some percentage of the time with KQ, which would certainly influence my decision between AK and KT, but that's sort of beside the point and irrelevant if this particular villain in this particular spot never has KQ or KJ.

Scansion, please explain how 88 is a call and AQ sometimes, but KT is sometimes a fold. This being for "balancing" purposes makes no sense as 1) he will have zero knowledge of what we folded and 2) this spot will come up again very rarely, if ever again vs. this same villain

the KT example I gave was just hypothetical. Also I addressed everything else.

Those 2 things aren't necessarily correlated. Reason to flat AK can be independent of how often he has KQ/KT here. My basic thinking RE flat vs 5-bet would be how often he's bluffing turn and his average probability to improve with his bluff range.

I don't agree with sometimes calling 88 and sometimes folding KT, but I also don't agree with your points 1-2. I really wish people would stop saying balance isn't important in HU where it is actually like the most important thing (meaning proper understanding of it and the consequences of deviations from it).

Balance definitely matters and I never said otherwise.

I don't think it matters much at all in this spot.