If that happens, I'll partner up to create our own poker site with the support of HU CASH game. They already have solid business plan and a decent chance at success. Stars made a mistake, and it's going to be proven by the end of this year most likely.

Sounds interesting ... care to (able to) share some details ?

Any point in doing the petitions/protests/strikes/withdrawing type stuff that everyone tried for the vip changes? Seems pretty weak to just do nothing.

I doubt it, HU players just don't have the support of the poker community and almost everyone seems happy they have to go. just look at the amount of stupid people in the NVG thread.

Doubt those ppl think is a good change are winning players though and little clue on how the HU lobby works. Pretty sure most midstakes+ 6max/fullring regs think it's bad change.

Nailed it. Just saying....

what will u guys do? stay at stars and play zoom or move to 6max or HU sngs? or play on different sites (which ones?)

6 max and HU SNG's are the next to go, looks like one should focus more on MTT's nowadays.

Different sites, regardless of profit HU is just so much more fun than other games. I think zoom will be made unbeatable shortly anyway. They will probably just get a sample size of regs winrates in the new zoom conditions and then increase rake to nullify it.

lol 6max isnt gonna go

flip and goes

Maybe not tomorrow, but removing HU cash is just the first step to shift the focus to more high variance variations.

Without the Scheinberg's anythings possible.

No other forms of poker will substitute for HU CASH players.

Stars turn into casino:

- they aim to get rid of most professionals,
- they'll keep cutting bonuses and points,
- increase rake,
- get rid of unsuitable forms of poker,
- and adding more lottery form of poker,
- plus creating games that will separate recreational players from pros
- using mobile based platforms,
-etc etc etc

WP Stars, go busto now. KTXBYE!

I just posted this in the NVG thread so ill crosspost it here too:

I think people are greatly under estimating the precedent this sets for the future of online poker. It's not just about HeadsUp.

The ideal situation for Stars is that for every $1 deposited by a net losing player stars rakes $1. They are working on building an ecosystem where by all games are essentially unbeatable and are just another form of casino game such as blackjack. They already have unbeatable games spread at micro-low PLO, then they removed all rakeback for $5/10+, now they are trying to reduce edges in HU games.

What will happen with HU zoom is when a rec player sits the games will fill with enough regs who have an edge. So the 1 rec might sustain another 5 pros who all have to play vs each other. This dramitically decreases pros winrates. Next once they have a sample of the top winners at each limit of HU Zoom they wil most likely increase rake enough to nullify that edge. Thus rendering the game unbeatable and ensuring stars gets all the net losers money in rake.

Now some people such as 6 max regs might think this is a good change because your games will be fishier. However once they have finished with HU they will start on other games aswell. I'd imagine all ring games will go to zoom eventually since it eliminates seat scripting and 'predatory behaviour.' This will lower the 6 max edges even more and all they have to do then is to check a sample size of the last 500k hands at 6 max, find out the top 10% of regs are winning at say 5bb/100, increase rake to nullify that edge and voila, another unbeatable game where all deposits go to Stars.

Then for Mtts, im sure stars arent happy that a lot of people are taking milions out of the economy by being longterm profitable in these. They want the fish money for themselves! I'd imagine we will see a transition towards higher variance,jackpots,shallower stacks and faster structures. If that doesnt get the edge of the top winners down from say 20% roi to 1% then they can always just bump the rake up a touch for good measure.

I realise some of this may seem dramatic but this is the direction everything is heading currently. Stars have to show the shareholders how they can increase profitability constantly. This wont be the last change, the same as the VIP moneygrab wasn't.

This is why all players should be against these changes. If you're not then your game will probably be next.

Good song for the mood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByJsjIyS1wQ

https://youtu.be/hWiBt-pqp0E

That's my mood, after reading the NVG thread.

my mood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBZYylhg9Io

let the mass withdrawing begin, done 40k today and for the next 4550 eur they are taking long time, already out Amaya?

Good move by stars.... If a fish deposits 100
And sits 100nl hu he feeds one bumhunter... If he sits 6max he feeds 5 regs...case closed

troll or stupid. pick one.

Great logical counter there...

get CANCER stars!

and all of you regs are POWERLESS MUPPETS. BEEN ARE AND WILL BE! Done nothing for poker survival, because each of you care only about your own a$$hole.

I'm sooo done.