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01-14-2012 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Codecci
Could it be possible that suboptimal smaller SB VPIP achieves higher winrates at bumhunting HU? Like: http://www.pokertableratings.com/ipo...ch/JosifFekali

Yeah I know lolsamplesize, but could it be possible that fishes are used to standardish play where opposition opens 80-90%+ buttons and they play same vs 50% VPIP guys and don't realize their range is much stronger?
As a good player you want to play as many hands as you can because you know situations where they don't fold enough, or fold too much. So you valuebet really thin or just pick up the pot with trash.
Tighter is easier and less variance I would assume, but not higher winrate, if you are good that is.
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01-14-2012 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Codecci
Could it be possible that suboptimal smaller SB VPIP achieves higher winrates at bumhunting HU? Like: http://www.pokertableratings.com/ipo...ch/JosifFekali

Yeah I know lolsamplesize, but could it be possible that fishes are used to standardish play where opposition opens 80-90%+ buttons and they play same vs 50% VPIP guys and don't realize their range is much stronger?
Smaller VPIP = less thin spots, less rake, etc..
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01-14-2012 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EasyMoney92

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lol,i remember this pic. believe me you dont wanna see her face.
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01-14-2012 , 12:29 PM
IMO most bumhunters would be better off with lower VPIP. I'd rather advice them to learn how to defend wider range in BB against fish, because if you fold in BB you lose twice more then if you folded OTB. Given my experience of lifetime 56% defend OOP i can tell you that position does not outweigh it, and I don't open 100% OTB against fish, i prefer opening 4x as standard 75% of hands.

The reason i win alot from fish in non-showdown, because it's actually pretty easy with experience. Fish is fish, they are not balanced, they are transparent, they make obvious horrendous mistakes hand after hand and it's easy to rebluff them.

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01-14-2012 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PureDiesel
IMO most bumhunters would be better off with lower VPIP. I'd rather advice them to learn how to defend wider range in BB against fish, because if you fold in BB you lose twice more then if you folded OTB. Given my experience of lifetime 56% defend OOP i can tell you that position does not outweigh it, and I don't open 100% OTB against fish, i prefer opening 4x as standard 75% of hands.

The reason i win alot from fish in non-showdown, because it's actually pretty easy with experience. Fish is fish, they are not balanced, they are transparent, they make obvious horrendous mistakes hand after hand and it's easy to rebluff them.
Ye there are weaktight fish, but the normal passive callingstation is pretty good at hero calling.
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01-14-2012 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PureDiesel
^^Dude, smart people were doing it and they know it. Their line does not show full picture, but the implication of it is pretty strong. So donteven...
Well if you think about it...

If you're playing against a passive fish and 3barrel with top 2 pair, and he c/c c/c c/f when he misses with a huge draw (give him top pair and an OESFD), he just missed out on a huge chunk of "equity" that he "deserved", but these programs won't show anything about that because the hand didn't go to showdown.

Yeah?
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01-14-2012 , 03:20 PM
oh no...its bad?
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01-14-2012 , 03:47 PM
say it ain't so...

really wanted her to have hot gansta face too
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01-14-2012 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by EasyMoney92
say it ain't so...

really wanted her to have hot gansta face too
+1

dont be a bitch, show us
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01-14-2012 , 04:16 PM
Have you seen the movie "In Time"? Timberlake plays HU CASH against rich time owner and puts a bet in a cost of his life (with nuts obv lol):

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01-14-2012 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Fredron
Ye there are weaktight fish, but the normal passive callingstation is pretty good at hero calling.
Yeah this.
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01-14-2012 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by EasyMoney92
Yoyo, Kdougs

Drunk or something?
All I know is that I woke up with very dry mouth and pain in my stomach this morning (read: 2 PM), then decided to sleep 5 more hours.
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01-14-2012 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Fredron
Ye there are weaktight fish, but the normal passive callingstation is pretty good at hero calling.
But how much added FE do you get for the line in chat, while villain tanks OTR to your bet and sees "banana is sliding away"?


Now seriously, WTF? What kind of crap is that ?: "Passive station is pretty good at hero calling" lol. This sentence means only one: it explain your thought process and how you play against fish and shows your fundamental weakness of understanding of poker. I'll try to be clear: if you are not having good idea of what does station holds, how he thinks and what he wants to achieve by clicking buttons the way he does, you are just a weak bumhunter, that hand-reads bad, not thinking through boards and fish's range sharply and doesn't know what fish thinks about your bets.
Simply, if you let lose-passive fish win with NSD line, when all he does is calling calling calling, and doing it super wide then i dunno who is real fish, you or him, because you have studied this game enough and keep making mistakes of not exploiting fish to the max, while the recreational half-drunk dude with zero knowledge about how poker works still manages to lose only that much, that you gain only 1-3ptbb/100. To me it seems, that he's making less mistakes. Now when you say LP station is PRETTY GOOD at hero calling you are just giving out the cheapest excuse of all times and justifying your mediocricity, instead of learning harder and start exploiting fish the way you have to, if it's your job and you feel like you deserve to win alot from them, you have to start thinking about lines/tendencies/frequencies, make sharp thin bets in the right time and no matter how awesome fish runs, eventually it will get busto big time if you do it right.
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01-14-2012 , 06:36 PM


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01-14-2012 , 10:58 PM
Todays the last time I bet against Tom Brady, good golly
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01-14-2012 , 11:52 PM
Patriots look strong but your last name has to be Harbaugh to coach in the Super Bowl this year. Ravens one time.

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01-15-2012 , 12:10 AM
And who said Denver had a shot? Haha!

Fair play Brady, great game.
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01-15-2012 , 12:41 AM
I like this:

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If you're in a 52/48 spot for your whole stack, but you think that there is an 80% chance that you can get chips in on a later hand with 70% equity, then your expectation is 56%. Hence folding in the first spot, will allow you to take advantage of the HIGHER EV second spot.
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01-15-2012 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by azoo
Smaller VPIP = less thin spots, less rake, etc..
Also folding preflop is faster than playing all the way through postflop, so slightly more hands/hour.
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01-15-2012 , 06:02 AM
Could watch this all day: (NSFW)

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01-15-2012 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by EasyMoney92
James May from Top Gear trying to take penalties. Made me lol.

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deliberately missing? seems like the top gear way of banter
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01-15-2012 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ka ching
this thread really needs some neverwin
I gotta give the ppl what they want.


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Good tunes TC.

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01-15-2012 , 05:02 PM
new Galfond blog, including some stuff on how to improve the HU lobby situation...
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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01-15-2012 , 06:09 PM
anything is better than what the lobbys are like at the moment
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01-15-2012 , 06:55 PM
whats peoples view on sitting at tables where you've won> 1 buyin versus leaving the table and starting a new one where you have 100bb's? i always leave and start a fresh table ~ was thinking about this and realized if i have an edge i should use those chips to my advantage. Another thing to consider is if this puts people off from joining your table?
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