I was playing on bovada against a decent player who was running pretty hot. I was getting pretty aggro and he started defending 3bets lighter.

It is NL50

I got about $100
He has $150ish

I am BB with 66

He raises to $1
I 3bet to $4

He calls

Pot $8
Flop is 762

Pretty much a dream flop. I cbet $5 - I guess I could go higher but kinda screwed up.

He calls
Pot is $18

Turn is a 5 - I bet $13 - again, I could go higher
He raises to $44 pretty much committing himself.

I lose to very few combos of hands here - and I don't see a lot of them in his calling range so I shove. I mean if has a straight or a higher set it is just a cooler right and I still have outs against a straight.

How is my line?

dont 3bet pre, snap get it in on the turn

The 3bet pre is unnecessary.

flat pre -- we've had so many threads about this hand. 66 hates to get 4bet, and when you need to open a thread asking how to play it when you flop a "dream", how are you gonna play all other textures when called?

I was deep and the guy pretty much never 4bet - i don't think he did one time in the whole match of 300+ hands. He did run really good though and hit gin at least 3 times to build a big stack.

hmmm 200x i think pre is fine, jam now i guess since he made it sooooo big.

Relationship between the correctness of 3-betting 66 and stack depths is an inverse one.

not in hu match when people calling range is very wide.

but I guess i rather 3bet strong pairs as in 8's + and 22-44s(200x) and call 55-77 pf.

you can talk about gto, but it's becoming irrelevent when it's deep hu game.

edit: obv fwiw im not 3betting all combos of those pairs.

Meh...

well, I didnt transfer what i wanted to say currectly in my previous post.
I rly get why you 'meh'ed
just disregard my post @ gl at tables ?

I smoked too much weed today and haven't got any sleep so can't rly explain what i meant right now , but i promise I will.

for the record -

**** GTO deep w/ history ESP hu - to be continue

I 3bet because he rarely 4bet and if I hit my hand it would be really disguised unless the flop was like AK6

Calling would be fine but I don't think the 3bet was a losing play.

Also if the flop was like ATx or K9x ect I could rep those hands -

Only flops i'm really gonna hate are like JQ9 or T97 - anything connected like that.


I think every one agrees with my turn shove though

The clear cut losing play would be folding pre.

i think every one that actually uses this forum knows that. the question at hand now would be - is calling or 3betting better when deep when he rarely 4bets and I don't think most of us know.

It's obv just a call with 100bb but with 200bb it becomes much different

I would assume it's neutral

I'll give the memes a rest . As Samooth has pointed out this discussion has come up several times in HUNL so you can probably use the search feature to get more concrete information concerning pocket pairs and deep stack play.

I know most of the posters in this thread have already commented numerous times on similar question (as well as I, particularly in regard to deeper stack depths and the nature of hand ranges) and I'm pretty sure neither they nor I feel like doing another more detailed write up on this topic.

Stack size matters little once we have strong info. There are fundamental reasons for three betting certain hands at certain sizes as a function of stack depth which are valid but they have little influence on the the best response vs a real world player when good information has been gathered. The stronger the info we have the more irrelevant they become. And preflop that happens quite quickly.

3 betting this hand could easily become better than flatting if villain is 4 betting less than 5% (and really less than 10% but the fold equity requirements increase), particularly if he is folding quite a bit.

That said as a default I think 3 betting 66 would be quite bad. Also what I said above was in a vaccuum. Our 3 bet % would shoot through the roof if we were assuming villain's strategy was perfectly static and thus 3 betting all hands for which our current snapshot of villains strategy indicated it would be better. He would probaby take notice and adjust.

There are probably other hands for which the difference between 3 betting and flatting would be greater than for 66 as well. So overall the play could easily be correct but I would say the implications of doing it should put it far down the list of hands we actually want to start 3 betting in practice. It always plays well as a flat.

The extra hundred big blinds aren't as beneficial to 66's expectation as you seem to think they are*. In fact they can be flat-out bad for it unless you have worked out a particular type of postflop strategy.


*That you thought 762r was a dream flop, situationally, is indicative of your overoptimism.

THIS