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5nl: Turned nut flush, extract value 5nl: Turned nut flush, extract value

12-24-2012 , 07:43 PM
Villain is playing 17/9/2.7 over 300 hands

Best way to extract value from worse hands? Reraise flop seems too strong that he will fold most non-heart hands.

A bit scary that the board paired, but most of the times he has some middle pair like 88 or Jx type of hands, so size on river to get paid by worse?


    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $9.01 (180.2 bb)
    SB: $4.45 (89 bb)
    BB: $5 (100 bb)
    UTG+1: $29.65 (593 bb)
    Hero (UTG+2): $5.20 (104 bb)
    MP1: $6.78 (135.6 bb)
    MP2: $2.48 (49.6 bb)
    MP3: $2.50 (50 bb)
    CO: $4.71 (94.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 8 A
    UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, CO calls $0.15, 3 folds

    Flop: ($0.37) T 7 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.77) 2 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35

    River: ($1.47) 9 (2 players)
    Hero ???
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    12-24-2012 , 08:18 PM
    I mean reraise turn of course, typo in thread & cant edit.
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    12-24-2012 , 08:41 PM
    dont check turn, don't c/r turn, and especially don't c/c turn

    the best way to extract value from worse hands at micros is bet bet bet, then bet some more
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    12-24-2012 , 09:23 PM
    checking turn is dreadful. You need to be betting this for value. You can follow up with another bet on the river.
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    12-25-2012 , 11:36 AM
    Bet turn, or at least check raise. Agreed check calling is worst.
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    12-25-2012 , 12:53 PM
    You can't check every time you have the nut flush because you're afraid to scare them off - you'll never win anything with the nut flush! Just bet and hope he has a smaller flush, the Kh, a straight or a set.

    Hopefully, you've been so aggressive up to this hand that the villain says "no f*in way he's got it every f*in time. I'm calling that SOB down with AT here".
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    12-25-2012 , 01:00 PM
    If i c/c the turn, all I can do is to hope that the river brings a heart.
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    12-25-2012 , 11:00 PM
    Betting 75% on all streets.
    I think betting the turn is a better way to get value from our hand than c/r.
    Check call is the last thing to do imo.
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    12-26-2012 , 01:39 AM
    Bet turn, bet river. It's hard to get value if you don't bet.
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    12-26-2012 , 04:32 AM
    I'm leading turn here, check raising turns your hand face up really imo, micros is all about value betting made hands and being able to fold.
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    12-26-2012 , 10:30 AM
    He can't lead turn.
    Sry for nitpicking.
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    12-26-2012 , 10:34 AM
    You're arguing semantics? Really? You're wrong, in any case.

    Definitely bet the turn. Check/raising is fine too, but betting is better.
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    12-26-2012 , 10:55 AM
    It's exactly semantics because you're quibbling over the definition of a word. And you're still wrong. Donking refers to when you're betting without the initiative. Leading refers to the first bet in a betting round. At least, in my mind since there isn't a Websters for poker terminology. In any case, it was clear what LolDonkamentz was referring to, so I don't see the point in derailing the thread for something that's completely subjective.

    As far as this thread goes, so I'm not completely off topic, I don't mind check/raising the turn with a nut flush against an opponent that doesn't float very often. Against a floater, I'd rather bet since he will often raise as a bluff.
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    12-26-2012 , 10:58 AM
    Sorry for ninja delete :/
    All my life I tought leading was basically donking. To me hero can't lead in this hand b/c of the position.
    Been playing for some time and never heard someone reffering to beting as leading.
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    12-26-2012 , 11:16 AM
    No worries. We're here to learn after all.
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    12-26-2012 , 11:21 AM
    Yeah, in the end it's irrelevant anyway.
    Bet bet bet is the only right play here.
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