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12-13-2010, 11:23 AM
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#61
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newbie
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 17
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Re: Beginners Thread (New posters please read)
Hi guys.
I started playing HU SnGs a while back with the intention to move to HU Cash once I was rolled for it. I've moved up to the $23 SnGs a few weeks ago and seem to be finding them ok. My BR is around $800 atm (which I built from 0).
I've seen people say that the rake for 50nl HU is so terrible that's it's not even worth playing, so... am I better increasing my BR more through SnGs until I'm rolled for 100nl? Or do I need the experience of 50nl to move up to 100nl? Or would my SnG experience be sufficient? (I know cash is different because of deep stacks, watched the DC vids etc).
Also, what's the standard roll for 50nl + 100nl?
I'm looking to move to cash as soon as possible and plan to move up with a somewhat aggressive BR management. But don't want to get killed by rake.
Thoughts?
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12-14-2010, 09:14 AM
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#62
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enthusiast
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 89
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Re: Beginners Thread (New posters please read)
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Originally Posted by invisibleleadsoup
hey,
i'm a midstakes 6 max player learning HU at 100nl and 200nl,i notice the rake is massive in these games,i'm just wondering has anyone ever put up a post comparing HU rake across the sites,it seems like it could make 100nl almost unbeatable,even though the players are terrible.
HU rake on my site is capped at $1,i'm wondering is this standard and also what sort of effect it would have on your winrate at low stakes.
is there a big difference between rake on the various networks? i'm playing at ongame at the moment but could move to somewhere else.
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Pokerstars NL50 rake cap is 0.50cents that is if the pot goes over the 10 USD the rake is capped and no rake more.
One bad excample is Everest NL10 rake is capped with 0.25, but with NL25 the cap is 1.00 which is horrible.
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12-14-2010, 09:33 PM
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#63
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centurion
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 197
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Re: Beginners Thread (New posters please read)
Lets say your facing an opponent you know is a looseish passiveish fish. You have AK and he 3bets smallish like 2.75x You think his range atm is somewhat wide. Would you want to 4bet small like 2.25x to keep his range wider or 4bet to a regular size to avoid giving him good odds w/ hands you do not dominate?
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12-15-2010, 02:04 AM
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#64
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 1st world obv
Posts: 2,860
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Re: Beginners Thread (New posters please read)
Hi guys, am staking a 50nl hu player. Was going to put him on merge initially but he's australian and so they won't accept him. Am thinking of putting him on entraction, but does that have enough traffic or should I put him on Ipoker instead?
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12-15-2010, 04:49 PM
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#65
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old hand
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,647
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Re: Beginners Thread (New posters please read)
Beginner at 50NL.
Question: where is the money made (or not lost) against fish at HU?
(example answer: I asked this question at 6 max, and the answer was basically...preflop, having a tighter range. Getting value from your hands by betting them instead of slowplaying them. Folding garbage like gutshots and bottom pairs. Aka, having a stronger showdown value.)
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12-16-2010, 10:32 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Unna
Posts: 204
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Re: Beginners Thread (New posters please read)
Hi,
I am thinking about starting with hu besides my maingame, NL400 sh. It´s just for learning and fun. Which limit would you recommend me. I am fairly unexperienced in hu. Nl100 or Nl200? Why?
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12-17-2010, 01:00 AM
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: the land of pleasant living
Posts: 1,159
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Re: Is this a standard barrel?
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
Musta played it at UB!
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Trust me I wish I was superuser...I was trying to remember the hand at work, but this is the actual hand history. After my bet he went and raised, I have put over half my stack in at this point...Fold or call??? FWIW he was raising 70% of his buttons and folding 30% to 3-bets and 30% fold to CB in 3-bet pots over 530 hand sample
Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked
Hero (BB): $71.40
BTN/SB: $196.60
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with J  9
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, BTN/SB calls $3.50
Flop: ($10.00) A  4  9 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, BTN/SB calls $7.50
Turn: ($25.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, BTN/SB raises to $184.10 all in
Last edited by kimoser22; 12-17-2010 at 01:03 AM.
Reason: numbers
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12-17-2010, 05:50 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: HUPLO HUNL
Posts: 3,678
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Re: Is this a standard barrel?
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Originally Posted by kimoser22
Trust me I wish I was superuser...I was trying to remember the hand at work, but this is the actual hand history. After my bet he went and raised, I have put over half my stack in at this point...Fold or call??? FWIW he was raising 70% of his buttons and folding 30% to 3-bets and 30% fold to CB in 3-bet pots over 530 hand sample
Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked
Hero (BB): $71.40
BTN/SB: $196.60
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with J  9
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, BTN/SB calls $3.50
Flop: ($10.00) A  4  9 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, BTN/SB calls $7.50
Turn: ($25.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, BTN/SB raises to $184.10 all in
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stove it yourself, looks like a pretty easy call
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12-17-2010, 08:29 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Belgium
Posts: 304
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Re: Beginners Thread (New posters please read)
there is some guy who i play live HU with, but now we want to play a lot of hands online HU. He's kind of tricky and hard to figure out.
PREFLOP: When he is on the button he almost never raises so i can see a lot of cheap flops but it's hard to put him on a hand, he can have JJ or he kan have 95os. and when i am on the button he almost never folds to my raises (he loves to see the flop)
POSTFLOP: he almost always calls my cbet cause he sais i'm always cbing
on the river he dares to overbet pot with monster or bluf, or in the really small pots he dares to bet 1-3bb with air or good hand for value.
Preflop he is a passive oponent, but postflop he can be agressive and use scarecards.
TO my opinion i think he sometimes reads good, but he calls to much and certainly on the river.
Against this kind of villain, how should i play our HU on the internet?
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12-17-2010, 02:19 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Kent - England
Posts: 159
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Re: Beginners Thread (New posters please read)
Hello
Im literally brand new to cash games and have no idea of cash game strategy whatsoever. Can anyone suggest a good book for basic cash game strategy? or a beginners video? also where would you recommend to start? full ring, 6 max or hu?
Many thanks
Last edited by CRABFISH; 12-17-2010 at 02:45 PM.
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12-17-2010, 04:13 PM
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#71
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: the land of pleasant living
Posts: 1,159
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Re: Is this a standard barrel?
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Originally Posted by WhateverSon
stove it yourself, looks like a pretty easy call
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yeah I did, just wanted confirmation...I did end up calling
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12-18-2010, 02:12 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 594
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Re: Beginners Thread (New posters please read)
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- What's the best site for HU action below 100nl?
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Can anyone help me with this? Somebody mentioned titan poker has 2nl. Or is 20nl def the minimum people have seen?
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12-18-2010, 08:59 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,680
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Re: Beginners Thread (New posters please read)
i wouldnt play any hu below 50nl tbh, rake is too much
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12-21-2010, 04:54 PM
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#74
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old hand
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Latvia
Posts: 1,333
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Re: Beginners Thread (New posters please read)
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Originally Posted by THDE
i wouldnt play any hu below 50nl tbh, rake is too much
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can anyone confirms this?
Had anyone had a positive winrate over a 50k+ hand sample in a NLHU game under 50NL?
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12-21-2010, 05:39 PM
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#75
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Chicago
Posts: 5,903
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Re: Beginners Thread (New posters please read)
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Originally Posted by Salats
can anyone confirms this?
Had anyone had a positive winrate over a 50k+ hand sample in a NLHU game under 50NL?
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u can have a positive winrate but rake does kill. Would only play nl50 if u know u are gonna crush pretty hard
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