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Old 10-25-2010, 02:06 PM   #16
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-Learn to differentiate between hands that can go for 1, 2 or 3 streets of value.
-Learn to recognize good 2nd and 3rd barreling opportunities.


Can someone give some basic examples of this? I definitely don't know either of these things. Thanks-
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Old 10-25-2010, 03:18 PM   #17
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-Learn to differentiate between hands that can go for 1, 2 or 3 streets of value.
-Learn to recognize good 2nd and 3rd barreling opportunities.

Can someone give some basic examples of this? I definitely don't know either of these things. Thanks-
Maybe something like you open Q9o otb and get called. Flop comes T-9-4 with two hearts, you bet and get called. Turn is a deuce.

This is not a spot where you can bet the turn and then bet the river and expect to get called two more times by a worse hand often. So I'd maybe bet the turn (intending to fold to a raise) and then check most rivers or check the turn and try to either bluff-catch the river getting two streets of value that way. If the river is something like a K and he checks I might bet to try to get him to bluffcatch with a worse nine or pocket pair (A4 maybe?), again getting two streets of value, although that might be thin cause lots of Tx play this way and he might fold some of the range we beat.

As for a good 2nd barreling opportunity:
You open 56s and get called. Flop is T-8-4 rainbow. You bet and get called. Turn is a King. That King misses a check/calling range on that flop pretty hard and serves as another scare card to an 8, a 4 or a pocket pair (or A-hi if he's a really loose peeler) and he might fold a weak T so this is a good spot to place a second barrel. Also, there aren't many draws in his range so it's less likely he wants to c/c again.

On the other hand, same situation but the flop is K-2-4 rainbow and he calls your cbet. The turn is an 8. This is not a good barreling spot cause now pocket pairs are gonna be more stubborn, a King is never folding obviously and it's less likely he peeled the flop with a weak pair cause there's just fewer deuces in preflop calling ranges than any other card. A four might not even fold cause that 8 looks like a pretty safe card.

As for 3rd barreling opportunities: The more draws there are on the board the more likely it is that if you place a second barrel you need to barrel the third time. You do not want to let a small pair that picks up a draw on the turn and check/calls your barrel get a free showdown on the river.

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not sure these are the best examples but they should give you an idea.

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Old 10-25-2010, 03:41 PM   #18
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"This is not a spot where you can bet the turn and then bet the river and expect to get called two more times by a worse hand often."

This is a great description, I haven't really thought about it this way before.

Barreling example is good too. I have been trying to bet more on the turn when the opponent seems weak but I believe I am doing it somewhat randomly. I guess I should think more about possible ranges which I am terrible at.

Thanks for the help!
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:20 AM   #19
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-Raise the button a lot and cbet a lot until your opponent forces you to do otherwise.
-Learn to differentiate between hands that can go for 1, 2 or 3 streets of value.
-Learn to recognize good 2nd and 3rd barreling opportunities.
-Don't play to many hands oop, you make your money on the button.
-Remember, in hu holdem nobody ever has anything on the flop (in general) so the guy who wins most of the pots where both players have nothing is gonna be the winner. In practice that means you should look for every cost-effective opportunity to steal pots, mostly the small-mid sized ones. It does not mean you should have win-every-pot syndrome.
-When facing light 3bettors, minraise so that you can call more and then use your position to beat them. Float flops, bluffraise flops, let them barrel when you flop well etc.
sorry i wasted your time....i was just kidding. i asked the 3 example questions in OP

although, that should be really useful to some people anyway
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Old 10-26-2010, 04:44 PM   #20
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I'm scandi so your humor was lost on me

No biggie, I like to rant about obvious things.
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Old 10-28-2010, 04:04 PM   #21
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Question:

Is stars the only site where rake is capped at 0.5$ ???
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Old 10-30-2010, 06:44 PM   #22
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Any feedback on vids for small stakes HU on cardrunners...thoughts on MX U T and Markuis...thanks
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Old 10-31-2010, 03:29 AM   #23
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Is running 10 buyins below EV in 2000 hands pretty standard in HU or pretty unlucky?
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Old 10-31-2010, 12:22 PM   #24
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Is running 10 buyins below EV in 2000 hands pretty standard in HU or pretty unlucky?
VERY standard
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Old 11-01-2010, 12:34 PM   #25
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what do you think are the pros and cons of HU sngs and HU cash?
when answering think about

- rake
- game structure (cash = 100 bb stacks ; sng 10-100 bb stacks)
- hourly rate
- variance
- fish players pool (hu sng has more or hu cash has more?)
- if the regular 6 max cash player should start HU sng or HU cash first if wanting to venture into the HU world
- And if playing solid is the hourly higher than someone 6 tabling 6 max as opposed to 4 tabling HU?
- As well as anything else that I haven't mentioned and you wish to add/comment.

I have more good questions but I want to have this answered first please and thank you!
Bump.

I'd also like some answers to these questions too!

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Old 11-02-2010, 01:45 AM   #26
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Whats the point of this thread if nobody is answering ****ing questions??
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:48 AM   #27
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4get last post....

point still stands tho (ie; fucck y'all)
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Old 11-02-2010, 03:32 PM   #28
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Im very new, so im gonna ask something very noobish.
Im playing micro stackes (0.01/0.02) to get started.
Im sitting with 100BB. Is that good? And with how many BBs won should i sit out?
(considering a situation where oppo will have the same BB amount as mine at game start)
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Old 11-03-2010, 02:38 AM   #29
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3 questions

1. bankroll management for hu cash?
2. how much hands of 50nl hu to get supernova?
3. how do you identify regs from fish?
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Old 11-03-2010, 04:21 PM   #30
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What's a good rate for a 50nl coach? (In terms of the student cost)

Is it worth it? Has anyone been a break even or losing person and became a winning hu player after coaching who wants to share their experiences?

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