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Old 02-26-2012, 05:41 AM   #556
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Hi guys,
Do any of you know where i can watch some of the isildur1 matches against durrr or ivey or PA?
I would really enjoy to see the matches as they were played, not only the biggest pots.
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Old 02-27-2012, 08:36 PM   #557
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I have a problem. Many times, when I win a buy-in or two, other guy starts to be too aggressive and 3-bets too much.
I'm not comfortable with variance, so many times I say, I'm going in 5 minutes...
Am I a hnr? I just want to play normal, not flip.
I play 50NL short stack tables.

EDIT: I mean 3-bet almost every hand, I gotta be calling and 4-betting a lot and that is bad for variance.
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:09 AM   #558
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i mean quit if u dont feel comfortable playing under certain circumstances but a lot of those spots are going to be very profitable. yeah the variance might go up but youre going to book some nice wins a lot of the time when they start 3betting every hand--thats a big leak right???
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:00 AM   #559
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Thanks for replying. Yea, it's a big leak, gotta improve my flipping game. I'll invest into a training site soon.
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Old 03-01-2012, 04:47 AM   #560
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Thanks for replying. Yea, it's a big leak, gotta improve my flipping game. I'll invest into a training site soon.
Please let me know which training site will improve the flipping game as I could do with making my 50:50's more 70:30's lol

To all:

I'm trying to work out my 3bet calling ranges and have been playing around with pokerstove etc.... and if we're giving the Vill a 25 - 28% 3bet range then hands like 89s are not profitable to call correct as we're 34% but on a standard 3x open 10x 3 bet we're calling 7bb's to win 13 so it's 54%?

First time I'm really devling into the math side of things so would like a quick check or correction?

Also 89s will be the top of our folding range so should we be 4bet bluffing these as well?

What sort of standard range are we calling 3bets with a 90% open and a Vill 3betting 25%?
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Old 03-01-2012, 07:48 AM   #561
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I'm trying to work out my 3bet calling ranges and have been playing around with pokerstove etc.... and if we're giving the Vill a 25 - 28% 3bet range then hands like 89s are not profitable to call correct as we're 34% but on a standard 3x open 10x 3 bet we're calling 7bb's to win 13 so it's 54%?
Nah, this is completely wrong. Firstly we're calling to win 7bb to win 20bb, so we need 35%.

Secondly we shouldn't compare this figure, 35% with the raw equity of our hand vs his top 25%. His 3bet range will be polarized and NOT just the top 25% of hands. Also we are in position with 90bb still behind, so there's lots of poker to play in the hand and we can't just assume the our chance of winning the hand is 35% with 78s vs top 25% because realistically we should win the hand much more often that that, are of course there are implied odds to consider.

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Also 89s will be the top of our folding range so should we be 4bet bluffing these as well?
89s is not top of folding range. It is too nice and playable, too much equity and implied odds vs a polarized 3bet range to 4bet it. Think about 4betting hands with blockers that aren't good enough to call. A3o, A2o, K6o, etc

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What sort of standard range are we calling 3bets with a 90% open and a Vill 3betting 25%?
A2s+ A8o+ K7s+ K9o+ Q8s+ Q9o+ J8s+ J9o+ T9o 98o 87o 45s-9Ts (incl suited 1 gappers) 22+

take away 4bet range
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Old 03-01-2012, 08:22 AM   #562
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Ah good times!!! glad my first foray into crunching the figures was a flat out failure haha.

Ah that all makes it a lot clearer in my mind and I think I've been too tight calling the 3bets in position.

Thanks for the input on this and my other posts Khal
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:06 PM   #563
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No worries, gl
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:25 PM   #564
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Ah good times!!! glad my first foray into crunching the figures was a flat out failure haha.

Ah that all makes it a lot clearer in my mind and I think I've been too tight calling the 3bets in position.

Thanks for the input on this and my other posts Khal
khai is obv right in a vacuum, but i think your tighter appraoch to calling 3bets is fine, given that you seem to be a beginner and have little experience playing in 3bet pots or postflop in general (no offense). what i mean is, why don't you open up your calling range a little bit (i.e. start calling hands like 89s, fold A8o e.g. / call more "playable" hands) and start getting into some postflop spots, get better at it, and at some point you'll be able to defend wide enough/optimally.
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Old 03-03-2012, 04:54 AM   #565
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Nah, this is completely wrong. Firstly we're calling to win 7bb to win 20bb, so we need 35%.
1/2 right we are calling 7bb to win 13bb so we are getting 13-7 or 35% pot odds. If we where calling 7bb to win 20bb we would be getting 20-7 and need 26% pot odds. You cant include money we have to call in your pot odds because it belongs to you if you dont call.
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:31 AM   #566
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Sigh, yes I know, I just thought it was an easier way of putting it so we can do the fraction 7/20.
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Old 03-07-2012, 01:39 PM   #567
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What are the lowest HU stakes on bovada? Is the action there good and worth giving up hand histories for?

+ Are flush draws supposed to come in 33% of the time after the flop? Cuz after a sample of about 3k hands (HU), I think I hit em 5% of the time...can I call that a downswong?
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:30 PM   #568
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Flush draw should come in about 36% of the time after flop. Number of outs x 4 is a pretty solid estimation when trying to work out equity of a hand with outs. 9 outs x 4 = 36%
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:56 PM   #569
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This is the first piece of poker material i ever owned. Homemade equity chart ftw.

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Old 03-08-2012, 03:35 AM   #570
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OK so i stopped playing until i saved up 5k

I know this question has been asked many times over but i'm really interested in the amount of buy ins most most HUNL regulars stick to while going up stakes.

Haven't played poker for 5 to 6 months due to busting my online roll in a single night well two night to be correct.

I was a regular PLO HU player for about 1 year consistently moving up limits pretty easy, got to 5-10 until one night i just could not stop tilting and for some reason didn't sleep 40+ hours knowing i was going to bust if i keep playing but still kept playing until i busted, playing 25-50 50-100, like a id!ot.

So i know 1 year is not long enough to suggest if i was i winning player or not although i think i was but most think that also i know.

For PLO i used a 100 buy in rule but always knew 150 to 200 buyins would have been a better option, i thought i start with NL with such a small roll since less swings compared to PLO and build up and later think about PLO when i have at least 100 buy ins or more for minimum 200 or 400 PLO.

For some reason i just struggle to play PLO small stakes compared to playing HUNL small stakes.

Btw i only play HU with both NL or PLO

So my question is with my 5k Bankroll what limits would most regulars recommend?

I quit my job as i know (think) i can make more playing poker.

Live at home and not asked to pay any bills, so i hardly need any money besides going out which i left 4k in the bank so i don't need to be withdrawing for a while. So basically i don't want to withdraw from my poker winning instead will have it spread out over more sites.



Thanks in advance.
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