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01-19-2010 , 10:26 AM
Thanks a lot! Any chance to see rest reviews?
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01-30-2010 , 10:37 AM
awsome deseved of bump and i fwiw i say iregardless and im english so ther.
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01-30-2010 , 11:38 AM
the only thing i really disagree with is the 55 hand. spamz didn't think it was that bad... but i think it's a pretty big mistake. the min-raise is obv fine... but when he 3 bets you... i think you have to fold. I would call up to 150 more (so if he raises to 250) ... but i would just be folding to the 3 bet of 350 total in this case. It didn't seem to me like he 3-bet you very often, so even though there's a chance he 3-bet AK, or AQ or something like that... there's such a good chance that he's got a higher pocket pair, and i think there's very little chance that he folds to your shove, considering he raised to 350 and therefore, there's 700 already in the pot, and he only has maybe 1k more behind. Also, you have to look at the chip stacks. you had something like 1700 chips at the time, and if you fold to the 3 bet, you'll still have 1600 chips and the chip lead... so there's no reason to risk so many chips when there's such a good chance that you'll be up against a bigger pocket pair. to me, pocket sevens is borderline... but anything below 77 should almost never be played all in preflop when you're at even stacks and the blinds aren't huge. obv if the big blind is 100, than shoving 55 all in pre is standard... but otherwise, i don't think it's advisable to get your money all in with 55, espeically when villian 3-bets and his 3-bet range is relatively tight. there are many people who will have a 3 bet range in this spot that is exclusivesly pocket pairs above 88... i suppose if you think he'll fold to your shove, than it's not so bad, but i really didn't get that impression from this HH.

also, i agree that the main thing you should try is min-raise pre and c-bet half the pot. in most normal circumstances, i think you should either min-raise or fold pre-flop in position (don't limp unless you have a specific reason why you think it's beneficial against this particular opponent)... the only times i limp in position preflop is if the blinds are really big... one of us is short stacked, or villain is super agro and 3 betting me all the time. and i also very rarely 3 bet OOP pre flop. and the only times i min-raise pre and then check behind the flop is if i totally miss the flop, and i get the feeling like my opponent probably caught a piece of it... so if i minraise 45 suited, and the flop comes 8,9,J ... with maybe 2 or 3 of the same suit... than maybe i'll just give up on this hand and not put any more money into the pot. but if you min-raise pre and you catch a piece of the flop (like when you caught that open ender with 34) than c-betting is pretty key.

but i agree with most of the analysis... it's just the 55 hand analysis that i don't really agree with.

edit: i just went back and looked over the hands again... and villain only 3 bet one time before, and you 4 bet shoved with 77 and villian folded. again, i think that 77 shove is pretty boarderline. that's why i only like to min-raise, because when you raise 3x, than his 3 bet is much bigger, and shoving becomes an option here with 77 ... and that could get you into a lot of trouble. If you just min-raise than his 3 bet isn't going to be as big... which means that you can't 4-bet shove... and you have to call his 3 bet and play 77 in position, which really isn't that bad. obviously your shoved worked out, but you could have easily ran into a bigger pocket pair.

so i think the 77 hand is a boarderline shove (just calling is fine though, and is a way less variance style)... i think the 55 hand is not boarderline at all, and should be a clear fold. because, this is only the second time he 3-bet you... and he knows that you 4-bet shoved his last 3 bet, so that means that he will very likely 3-bet a strong range because he'll be hoping that you 4-bet shove again. so i think you have a lot more fold equity with the 77 shove... but you don't have nearly as much with the 55 shove. the stack sizes are roughtly 1800 - 1200... so if you fold, you'll still have 1700 vs 1300 and you can look to get your money in at a better spot (ideally post-flop when you can be more sure about where you are at)... but since villian had 1200 in chips, and he 3-bet to 350, leaving 700 in the pot, with only 850 behind... i think he's very rarely folding... and your 55 will almost never be ahead (since i don't think he's doing this with 22,33,44)... and villian knows that you 4-bet shoved his last 3 bet... so villian will expect you to shove a lot of the time. i think his range in this case could be as strong as 99, TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA... in which case, the TT may even be at the bottom end of his range... but either way, there's a good chance you're up against a big pocket pair, and i think you'd be lucky if villian flipped over AK or AQ. in any case, no real reason to shove the 55 here... just fold... kiss those 100 chips goodbye, and look for a better spot where you'll have a better read. spamz said that he was surprised to see a hand as strong as TT... but i'm personally not that surprised at all, and is the type of hand i would expect him to have.

Last edited by plowking2010; 01-30-2010 at 11:58 AM.
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05-16-2010 , 03:30 PM
Two or three times you mention that you think the c-bet is too big when Hero's c-bet is 2/3 to 3/4 pot and his holding is marginal or complete air. You give the rationale that we're not picking up much extra fold equity vs 1/2 pot c-bet (and when we have top pair that we're folding out lower pairs that we'd like to stick around)

I'm assuming this means that we're going to want to c-bet ~ 1/2 pot with almost all of our hands? Are there any board textures/holdings where you'd usually c-bet a larger amount, say 2/3 or something? Obviously, if opponent is a huge calling station we probably reduce c-betting frequency and increase amt, but curious about other situations...
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05-16-2010 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrex Puppy
awsome deseved of bump and i fwiw i say iregardless and im english so ther.
oh dear, the children are brutalizing language again
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