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Old 06-03-2012, 05:00 AM   #31
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Re: This forum is an embarrassment.

dave you have no idea what you're talking about. You clearly have not played poker if you think games are not getting tougher all the time. So many people who used to win no longer do and so many who used to be crushers are rb pros/modest winners.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:54 AM   #32
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Re: This forum is an embarrassment.

Great post daveT.
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Old 06-03-2012, 07:09 AM   #33
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Re: This forum is an embarrassment.

haven't read all the responses (yet), but getting rid of this subforum is not the solution and a very bad idea
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:07 AM   #34
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Re: This forum is an embarrassment.

Do you even play poker dave?
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:38 AM   #35
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For me posting advice is for my own good. Being forced to think about poker and having your own ideas challenged is what makes you improve. If you don't think or talk about poker, you will get stuck at your current level of play. Of course you can think poker outside of the forums, even on your own. But those aha-impulses you get from other people in the community, be it rare, make posting worthwhile imo.

About giving stuff away, well, I find it difficult to estimate the magnitude of $ lose because some opponents read some of my posts. But I think it's way less lost than won by improving my poker mind.

Unless you have groundbreaking theory to offer I don't see any harm in posting your best advice. (And, btw, all the ground breaking theory right now is extremely mathematical so few people would understand anyway)
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:47 AM   #36
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Re: This forum is an embarrassment.

The point is that Lefort has a good point. This is happening in almost all strat forums some worse than others. Another mod would certainly help as well as a mod discussion, in the mod forum, as to what can be done to tighten up all the strat forums and most anything related to poker. Trolls can do all the trolling they want in 4L, NVG, etc. but it takes away from the credibility of 2+2 in serious discussions and should be addressed.
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:27 PM   #37
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i agree OP, i no longer use this toilet for anything constructive, cubkiller ect, go **** yourselves wannabe geek pricks
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:21 PM   #38
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Think we need some Soviet policing...

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oh no ty, sir.

I even stopped giving out advises in strat threads, because of all this weak leveling. Inbe4 some1 says i'm leveling non-stop - no, i don't do that in hand history discussions, I've done funkying around only in HUCASH REGS thread, but i've stopped it anyway as soon as I've been left alone by provokers.

Wish the good players from couple years + back would be here. It would really change things.

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Old 06-03-2012, 02:24 PM   #39
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Syzzzurp your post in this thread is about as useful as your strategy advice. Throwing around insults without adding anything to help the discussion is retarded.

Let me preface this by saying that the problem here is not with the mods. TC has done a bunch for this forum since he was made a mod and I sincerely feel bad that any of this is coming back on him.

The problem with advice in the HU section is the current state of the game. At this point helping people improve will more than likely result in more people bumhunting in the lobby. Honestly I think it would be awesome if we could get people to improve to the point where they would be sitting and playing any of the people who are trolling with advice. The more likely alternative is that the advice given will get players good enough to beat fish but still not good enough to take on good regulars.

There's a million ways to get heads up advice if you're looking for it. There's coaching, training sites, and multiple skype groups people have set up where one can meet peers that they can discuss strategy with. Having people complain about not being entitled to receiving free strategy advice from people who have put their own time in to improving is silly. I'm not saying trolling is the answer and I will stop trolling and posting in the strategy threads. Getting rid of this section on two plus two is ridiculous.

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-Giving strategy advice to micro players will result in more midstakes bumhunters
-Syzzzurp is a weiner
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:51 PM   #40
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I dunno, maybe this? -> gold, bronze and silver undertitles for the TOP 3 advisors monthly.
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:54 PM   #41
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Agree TC has done a good job overall. He's added the crown things, fiddled with Regs thread to find the best fit for everyone and done loads of cleaning up of thread titles and deleting garbage threads. This is a huge improvement from "before TC" when this sub forum was not modded at all.

Still, I'm not sure why it's such a terrible idea to remove it. The HH threads would be answered much better in SSNL/MSNL I think, and it might encourage 6max regs to play HU = winning (unless they all started bumhunting HU; not sure which way it would go). I guess I don't personally see much use for this sub forums except posting 50NL and below hand histories and getting lame replies. Fwiw, I think the regular posters in the 6max sub forums are much better than the regular posters here.

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I dunno, maybe this? -> gold, bronze and silver undertitles for the TOP 3 advisors monthly.
Meh, I post loads and this wouldn't incentivize me, if anything it'd be a deterrent. lol. The reasons I post are exactly the same as for Internet (great post)

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Old 06-03-2012, 03:00 PM   #42
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People love complaining about stuff ...

Even if its completly free and they have have the choice to view it. Lol.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:41 PM   #43
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People love complaining about stuff ...

Even if its completly free and they have have the choice to view it. Lol.
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2p2 was not created for the +ev benefits of it's users, it was created for the ongoing academic approach to poker as a whole and for people to connect and interact with respect to this concept. The fact that users are free to post whatever they want should be respected and not taken advantage of to the point where you have known competent users purposely giving bad strategic advice for their own benefits (whether it be for $ or for cheap laughs).
Good answer to this comment.
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Old 06-03-2012, 06:19 PM   #44
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EATITPAL has been added to HU forum as a mod.

Welcome bro.

I dont really think theres gonna be much of an issue since this thread but its nice to have another person help out.
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Old 06-03-2012, 06:31 PM   #45
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dave you have no idea what you're talking about. You clearly have not played poker if you think games are not getting tougher all the time. So many people who used to win no longer do and so many who used to be crushers are rb pros/modest winners.
There's many reasons the games are more difficult, but the number one reason at this point is due the black friday and few people outside of the better players are crazy enough to deposit, and this is more true for the higher stakes games. I'm uncomfortable even keeping a 4-figure roll online at this point, but I'd rather play and earn little more than minimum wage and keep myself a little sharp for the (hopefully) impending U.S. regulation. I play small-stakes on Carbon, and I'm not particularly impressed with the level of competition, but I could be delusional since I'm not a 15BB/100 "crusher" either. Regs refuse my action for the most part, so that's at least some social confirmation. If I was comfortable keeping more money online, I'd be sitting at 400HUNL with you so we can compare PTR graphs and maybe I'd donate some money to to you so you can "teach" me to play. Do I have problems in my game? Yes. Are there leaks? Yes. Do I recognize all of my leaks? Obviously not or they'd be fixed.

As for those that were crushers and now rb pros, I'm not qualified to speak on this subject since this isn't my current experience, but I hope you are qualifying when they were crushers ('06? LOL). Regardless, competition and commerce is what it is and the game goes on.

Despite my qualifications, ability, or experience, my argument has nothing at all to do with tougher games, my argument focuses on the health of the games and ensuring more players come in and stay playing, and the way to do this is not giving them bad advice, treating them like ****, and forcing them give up. They should be receiving at least okay advice and encouraged to stick around and try more. Yeah, some 5 to 10% might get better, and that shouldn't be a problem at all: 1 good player brings along 10 bad players seeing the magic pill. When you give out awful advice and treat new players like ****, you are purposely abandoning your potential player pool: the only people who will stick around are those that have the mental toughness to become winners. What other result would you expect?

Do you honestly believe that treating people (players) like **** results in more customers (fish) for you? Have you ever played live at a lively table and see it tighten up to unplayable and boring because one moron comes in and starts acting like an *******? Same thing.
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