and i think everyone knew what you were doing (that the one who realizes its a mirror match would have an edge) but its still lol because its only an edge for a few hands that approaches 0 as you play more

mind experiments without a plausible premise are only fun when high

IMO HU v. yourself is the purest form of poker.

charmer u stole my avatar brosef....

PD smart thread

3bet me all the timeeeee :P

btw nice question

Quit the weed dude lolol

nice thread.

think i'd break even

Chances are if I played myself I would think that I'm a pretty good spot

Crush myself, easy. Just gotta nit it up.

The other you knows that he is playing himself.

People, please share an explanation of WHY did you pick your choice. I want to see how different players think.

It's a silly question then. It's always going to be 0 EV (-rake). Ignoring any non-shared external stimuli (something like coaching), neither player will make any decisions that the other wouldnt've if the roles were reversed.

I disagree. The players decisions will become more divergent, as each decision the aware player faces will give him an opportunity to 'learn more' about his opponent than the unaware player. The edge will exponentially increase.

imo the one You who runs better 1st will crush the other You more often, since there's no skills edge, the "overall edge" will relly on A) Mental state¹ B) Variance.

So tilt yourself and win! :}

¹since we're playing with another being (that happens to be... we) his mental state will not copycat ours. He only have our preestablished "poker schema".

wtv, not drunk enough to formulate better concepts, sorry lolol

OH YEAH?! get out of my house bro

lol

In a practical situation, everyone would lose to himself.

Explanation: Since you are playing against yourself. If 1 of you wins, the other one loses and vice versa. Your edge would be 0.

Your net profit would always be the winnings of both players added up. Since you also pay rake, this number would always be a negative amount.

Clearly we don't share the same bank account.

Ldo.

i would crush me! i know all my tendecies, fears and i know some leaks...

Wow you are very good at math and logic. You should probably submit this to the nobel prize committee because this is some groundbreaking ****.

On the one hand I can beat everyone. On the other hand I don't lose to anyone. We would divide by zero and the universe would collapse.

that wasnt very kind!

@topic: i know what i have, so i win!

lol

need some philosophical questions answered to answer this Q imo

like:
1) do we occupy both consciousnesses in game?
2) if so, are both consciousnesses independent of each other? (as in, the "we" we identify with being in 'control' is in control of both, but can they cannot share internal information between the two like what the other one is holding or thinking..) what we call "we" is important here, because if we only have access to 1 mind, our clone isn't really us at all; just a person with the same exact appearance, history, and skill sets. we can then only extrapolate how his thinking would grow based on our own tendencies, we could not actually be privy to the feed of thought in his head. if we could, we would be a superuser and the winner is left up to variance. there's a big difference between occupying two bodies and occupying two consciousnesses or occupying two consciousnesses irrespective of the other
3) if not, does our clone know he is playing his clone? this is very important. if we know who we are playing and he does not, i think the "we" that we consciously occupy has the edge
4) are our brains "re-set" after each session, hand, action, millisecond? each player will grow independently divergent from each other as their personal experiences differ. each action effects who we become as a person, so player A/B may start the game the exact same way, but as each hand gets dealt, the discrepancy of these experiences will create two separate people who change more and more from eachother with each hand, action, angle they sit at, etc, until one player is actually better than the other. it's tough to quantify the base level at which this divergence takes place. it's arguably on plank-time level because no matter how minutely different a situation is, it effects who you are. so if we could re-set our brains after each milli-second, we'd retain the clones' exactness, but it would also make a paradox because reads mid-hand effect action and the winner is again left up to variance.
5) to circumvent this paradox, we could reset our consciousnesses to pre-game levels each hand or each session, but then we would either have to play infinite sessions or somehow give each player the same sets of cards/scenarios over a large scale w/o either party knowing this is happening. if we dont', variance is always going to be the factor determining a winner (either by giving one player better cards or by giving the other better situations to learn from).

IMO, the only way this is not left up to variance is if our clone is separate from us and does not know he is playing against his clone.

coach diesel is trying to get on us here

lol