Common flop bet or check decision OOP in 3bet pot
09-25-2014
, 10:15 PM
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
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SB: $240.08 (120 bb)
Hero (BB): $612.42 (306.2 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q
A
SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $12
Flop: ($36) K
6 2 (2 players)
Hero...
Obviously depends on villains tendencies, but what are the factors I should be considering in general when deciding whether to bet or check here? Usually my thought process is something like... "betting for value is too thin and he's never folding worse, but I risk being bluffed if I check so maybe I'll just bet for protection, or I could check and call at least one street as a bluff catcher"
How would having the Ah change things? More towards betting or checking?
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SB: $240.08 (120 bb)
Hero (BB): $612.42 (306.2 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q
ASB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $12
Flop: ($36) K
6 2 (2 players)Hero...
Obviously depends on villains tendencies, but what are the factors I should be considering in general when deciding whether to bet or check here? Usually my thought process is something like... "betting for value is too thin and he's never folding worse, but I risk being bluffed if I check so maybe I'll just bet for protection, or I could check and call at least one street as a bluff catcher"
How would having the Ah change things? More towards betting or checking?
09-26-2014
, 08:45 PM
09-26-2014
, 08:51 PM
09-26-2014
, 09:13 PM
09-26-2014
, 09:32 PM
09-26-2014
, 09:38 PM
09-26-2014
, 09:51 PM
Why are you bringing the "GTO perspective" into this?
You think most villains are stabbing on this board well upwards of 50% . . .
God forbid that it's possible to call or raise a bet in unlimited hold them without a pair. 
But does c-betting very frequently maximize your EV (or even come close to doing so)?
You think most villains are stabbing on this board well upwards of 50% . . .
But does c-betting very frequently maximize your EV (or even come close to doing so)?
09-26-2014
, 10:03 PM
Quote:
Why are you bringing the "GTO perspective" into this?
You think most villains are stabbing on this board well upwards of 50% . . .
God forbid that it's possible to call or raise a bet in unlimited hold them without a pair.
But does c-betting very frequently maximize your EV (or even come close to doing so)?
You think most villains are stabbing on this board well upwards of 50% . . .
God forbid that it's possible to call or raise a bet in unlimited hold them without a pair.
But does c-betting very frequently maximize your EV (or even come close to doing so)?
i think a c-bet gets called by minor ace-highs, and it doesnt define my hand as much as a check.
ace-high is always a difficult hand.
if i had history and i checked all kinds of stuff to this villian and he know it doesnt need to be ace-high im more ok with checking. but i think without history im turning my hand face up.
and: a raise on this board is so uncredible, i dont believe villian will do this often.
09-26-2014
, 11:00 PM
09-27-2014
, 09:30 AM
Yes, I just realized that it's a bad strategy and the PFR should c-bet close to 100%.
Checking too often allows the caller to realize 133% of their equity (4 cards / 3 cards), and with roughly 2:1 pot odds, they can call the 3-bet with any two cards profitably, even 72o (!) -- which has to be bad for us.
Thank you for helping me spot the error of my ways.
Checking too often allows the caller to realize 133% of their equity (4 cards / 3 cards), and with roughly 2:1 pot odds, they can call the 3-bet with any two cards profitably, even 72o (!) -- which has to be bad for us.
Thank you for helping me spot the error of my ways.
