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Old 02-17-2009, 07:46 PM   #16
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Re: Common flaws in average midstakes regulars.

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Calling small pairs and small connectors is basically always a leak, unless you have a magic feel for when 33 or 6 high is good postflop. With 100bb I prefer Q9o.
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Old 02-17-2009, 08:19 PM   #17
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Re: Common flaws in average midstakes regulars.

MasterLJ/Kex,
What kind of ranges is it standard to be calling with 55 or 87s for 100bb's? Assuming villian is a standard midstakes reg, do you agree with this:
Range....6%....10%....12%....>12%
87s........No......No.......No......Yes
55........Yes?.....No.......No......Yes

My reasoning is that 55 can set mine vs 6% because we can count on them stacking off often when we hit. I feel both can call versus wide 3 betting ranges because the villian is going to have air so often that we can start making moves. Although I guess this is assuming they cbet too often.

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Old 02-17-2009, 08:41 PM   #18
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Re: Common flaws in average midstakes regulars.

LJ can answer that better than me, but I think both 4betting and folding is better than calling in general. This is especielly true the lower the PP is.


My guess would be that 6% is still too wide to setmine, because the only range thatīs stacking off 100% is AA. You canīt expect to stack him always
on a A84 flop when you have 44 agaist his QQ, right?

I used to call always too, but a very good highstake player told me it was a huge leak. Now it makes sense to me, but I canīt really prove it with numbers.

Also, the difference between 98s and 54s is huge, same goes for 66 and 22. Maybe not vs a 6% guy though.

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Old 02-17-2009, 08:53 PM   #19
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Re: Common flaws in average midstakes regulars.

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LJ can answer that better than me, but I think both 4betting and folding is better than calling in general.
4 betting and calling a shove is good in some cases too. And by some cases I mean a 3B % over around 17%.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:58 PM   #20
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Re: Common flaws in average midstakes regulars.

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MasterLJ/Kex,
What kind of ranges is it standard to be calling with 55 or 87s for 100bb's? Assuming villian is a standard midstakes reg, do you agree with this:
Range....6%....10%....12%....>12%
87s........No......No.......No......Yes
55........Yes?.....No.......No......Yes

My reasoning is that 55 can set mine vs 6% because we can count on them stacking off often when we hit. I feel both can call versus wide 3 betting ranges because the villian is going to have air so often that we can start making moves. Although I guess this is assuming they cbet too often.

Does anyone know if there is a way to insert an HTML table in posts, or any other way to creat some sort of table?
For 100bbs, none of the above really unless you have a read on villain that they are super passive and check/fold the flop when they miss. You just shouldn't be calling with either imo.

You also have it backwards... the larger their 3bet range is the less profitable it is to call with 87s and 55 because they will less likely have a hand they can stack off with when you hit big.
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Old 02-18-2009, 12:28 AM   #21
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4 betting and calling a shove is good in some cases too. And by some cases I mean a 3B % over around 17%.
I meant that I either fold or 4bet, almost never call. Raising 33, get 3bet and fold can't be bad. Sure is better than calling to hit a set.
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Old 02-18-2009, 03:55 AM   #22
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Re: Common flaws in average midstakes regulars.

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I'd say the biggest culprits are hands like QJ/KT/QT/JT. In terms of EV, low suited connectors play better than those against a 10% 3bet range.
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For 100bbs, none of the above really unless you have a read on villain that they are super passive and check/fold the flop when they miss. You just shouldn't be calling with either imo.
You state that suited connectors are more +EV, yet you still don't call them with 100BB deep? What ARE you calling then? Thanks!
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Re: Common flaws in average midstakes regulars.

It's fairly self explanatory... 67s plays better against TT+, AJ+, than KT.

I just stoved it, KT has 30% equity while 67s has 33%. Not saying it's good to call, just saying that KT will get you into more trouble than 67s. Your calling range is a function of your opponent's 3bet range and postflop habits.
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It's fairly self explanatory... 67s plays better against TT+, AJ+, than KT.

I just stoved it, KT has 30% equity while 67s has 33%. Not saying it's good to call, just saying that KT will get you into more trouble than 67s. Your calling range is a function of your opponent's 3bet range and postflop habits.
Thanks, I already knew the math behind it, it just seemed that you were contradicting yourself saying that you like 67s better than KT, and then stating that you still wouldn't call 67s even 100BB deep unless they were insanely passive. This doesn't leave us with a lot of hands to call 3bets with.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:28 AM   #25
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Re: Common flaws in average midstakes regulars.

How should Axs be played vs different types of regulars?

- 6% 3b
-11% 3b
-18% 3b

Passives postflop or aggro.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:58 AM   #26
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How should Axs be played vs different types of regulars?
Here are my thoughts:
6%: fold
Reverse implied odds will destroy you and when the A hits, and a regular is unlikely to stack off with weaker.

11%:fold
Still too strong of a range imo, fold for same reasons.

18%:call
AXs is an ideal hand to float with in many spots, also when the A hits aggro regs will bluff their stacks trying to rep it.

Other considerations about playing AXs... think about what the villian's 3b range is. Does it consist of ATo+? If it does, then the reverse implied odds are much worse. However, it's common to see a polarized 3b range (often due to 4betting) that is AQo+, in the later case it's not nearly as risky. Also, does villian play pot control predictably on A high flops? If so, then this hand is easy to play when they check flops and when they bet, they are polarized.
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Old 02-18-2009, 12:54 PM   #27
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like 100 others but why would anyone capable of evaluating this effectively post the flaws of 95% of this board?
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:12 PM   #28
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Thanks, I already knew the math behind it, it just seemed that you were contradicting yourself saying that you like 67s better than KT, and then stating that you still wouldn't call 67s even 100BB deep unless they were insanely passive. This doesn't leave us with a lot of hands to call 3bets with.
Just to drive the point home, 72 > 52 in a HU environment, but I still am not calling with it =P.
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