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NL10 turn stab? NL10 turn stab?

07-22-2017 , 09:34 AM
Hi, what is your play on turn and why? do you use in this situations stab with low bet size us 1/3 of pot? thanks

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $37.29 (372.9 bb)
UTG: $23.70 (237 bb)
MP: $22.99 (229.9 bb)
Hero (CO): $20.98 (209.8 bb)
BTN: $16.64 (166.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T T
UTG raises to $0.30, MP folds, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 2 5 7 (3 players)
BB bets $0.45, UTG folds, Hero calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.85) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ??
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07-22-2017 , 10:01 AM
Bet on turn. Its not a stab we bet for value. About half pot seems good.
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07-22-2017 , 11:04 AM
Dont stab get it to showdown.
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07-22-2017 , 11:15 AM
Definitely betting about 40% imo, for value/protection here. Only losing to JJ or sometimes weak QhX here and it's important to deny equity to any random stabs villain has OTF.
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07-22-2017 , 11:21 AM
The thing is that x/r will be frequent on the board.
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07-22-2017 , 11:39 AM
Depends if villains in OPs player pool are either x/r here or just going bet/bet/bet with their sets and 75s here or not imo. If not then a bet makes sense, smaller sizing makes it not as bad if we get x/r too.
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07-22-2017 , 11:45 AM
I like check back here sometimes and sometimes cbet like 40-50% psb. If we don't ever check I think our check back range here is too weak. We have sets/AQ/AA/KK/FD's/66/88 to bet. Betting here is okay for denying equity vs draws but he never folds better and he can x/r a lot of his draws here and put us in a rough spot. Also, a lot of his value x/c range has very little equity vs us so I'm not as worried about giving a free card as much. For those advocating a bet 100% here, what does the top of your check back range look like?

Last edited by PathsOfGlory; 07-22-2017 at 11:56 AM.
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07-22-2017 , 11:54 AM
Don't think too many people are balancing checking range here with x/r at 10NL here imo or exploiting our checking range either. btw you misread HH, villain doesn't have QQ-AA here. But say villain does x/r enough and can exploit us, I like checking back JJ/TT here sometimes like you said.
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07-22-2017 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ALongmuir
Don't think too many people are balancing checking range here with x/r at 10NL here imo or exploiting our checking range either. btw you misread HH, villain doesn't have QQ-AA here. But say villain does x/r enough and can exploit us, I like checking back JJ/TT here sometimes like you said.
That betting range I gave is what we have that should usually be taking a call flop bet turn line. As far as people not balancing at 10nl, I agree that most people are not balancing but I don't think that necessarily needs to mean we shouldn't balance as balancing makes our hands harder for villain to read and makes them more prone to mistakes imo.
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07-22-2017 , 12:43 PM
Yeah I agree, some balancing is necessary but obviously we want to take the highest EV line here e.g. if villain is leading depolarised with 7x and rarely x/r, all these hands should go straight into our value range and probs wanna bet 100% here. We only cold called here pre so that's why I said we don't have those hands here. I'm interested to hear what you'd do with 88-99 here too, maybe it's better to check JJ-TT and bet 88-99 since they're more vunerable and block bluffs we'd like to bluffcatch OTR.
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07-22-2017 , 12:47 PM
V easy x back imo. As Sham says x/r will be frequent and it's not like we want 2 more streets of betting after flop.
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07-22-2017 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ALongmuir
Yeah I agree, some balancing is necessary but obviously we want to take the highest EV line here e.g. if villain is leading depolarised with 7x and rarely x/r, all these hands should go straight into our value range and probs wanna bet 100% here. We only cold called here pre so that's why I said we don't have those hands here. I'm interested to hear what you'd do with 88-99 here too, maybe it's better to check JJ-TT and bet 88-99 since they're more vunerable and block bluffs we'd like to bluffcatch OTR.
Just realized I did misread haha. Yeah I mean maybe we have QQ a small percentage of the time but I agree I'm not flatting AA here without reads on people behind me. I'm all for betting 88 here and possibly 99 though as we block some of villain's calling and raising ranges and we can deny equity and even fold out some better hands.
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07-22-2017 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PathsOfGlory
I like check back here sometimes and sometimes cbet like 40-50% psb. If we don't ever check I think our check back range here is too weak. We have sets/AQ/AA/KK/FD's/66/88 to bet. Betting here is okay for denying equity vs draws but he never folds better and he can x/r a lot of his draws here and put us in a rough spot. Also, a lot of his value x/c range has very little equity vs us so I'm not as worried about giving a free card as much. For those advocating a bet 100% here, what does the top of your check back range look like?

So right now I am actually thinking bet here. I think we are all assuming villain is donking with a range of sets (sometimes), 75, 7x,66, FD, SD or combo draws. If we're villain, which of these are we actually check raising turn for value? For times when hero has an overpair (and TP too probably), hero is calling another bet, so as villain we should just bet, and do the same with draws so you can setup a river bomb when you miss or for value with your sets/2P. Otherwise we (as hero) are checking back turns with hands like 78s, 67s, 66s,A7s and villain would be missing value with made hands and it's going to be tougher to bluff on the river.

So with that said, when we get checked to as hero, I think its more often a weak 7 or 7 plus gutshot or 66/88s type hand that donked flop for protection/value. Also, we need more value hands that can check-call flop bet turn for when we have FDs/SDs. Just check-calling/bet turn with 88s wont be enough combos I think.
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07-22-2017 , 05:57 PM
I think its ok to bet get calls form 88 99 7x and fold hands like AK,but our range would have pretty hard time playing vs C/R given that we raise all sets and we are capped on Qx of spades,so form theory point of view we should do a quiet bit of checking.
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