c-bet or slow play KK on K73 two tone as pure default? - Page 2 - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

Villains at low stakes overplay hands hard. They are not folding. They do float. They do spazz out. They do not shut down easily. I'm not talking about nits and ABC players now.
As long as they stay in a game with any pair/2p/lower sets/FD/str8draw/gutshot/backdoors like AdXx/AxTd I'm gonna keep firing. The most juicy spazztards I've met are at NL100, making me 19bb/100 profits lifetime.

Once again, I'm not advocating to not slowplay in general. I reinforce my statement - it all DEPENDS!

+1 on this one too. Exploitation against the more weaker villain/regs that we have reads on can change your decision on how we play this particular spot

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04-29-2017 , 01:15 PM

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mrvoo

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Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 14

Bet the hell out of it, if they fold, move on.

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06-01-2017 , 12:38 PM

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illusion420

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Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 64

Because of the flush draw you can't slow play this scenario.

If it was rainbow then you gotta ask yourself.. Are you c-betting every rainbow flop ? If yes then bet because if u dont bet it will be obvious u have something.

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06-05-2017 , 03:13 AM

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JudgeHoldem1848

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I don't think it matters much. We do actually block a ton of his calling range, with three Ks out, but also a ton of his two-street value range. We'll have a hand we can get in by the river somewhere around 65% of the time. It's never a big mistake to start building a pot otf if we can get it in for pure value by the river >50% of the time.

Some have argued that we can induce more bluffs on this board by checking the flop. I've never seen any evidence of that being the case though. Boards like this tend to get stabbed at significantly less frequently, enough that they're probably actually getting bluffed less.

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06-09-2017 , 10:41 AM

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Donovan

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,416

Please to everyone who didn't catch it. I'm asking "as a pure default." Of course "it depends". Doesn't it always "depend"? But what if we lack any particular reads or what if the myriad factors we could bring in to tip us one way or another more or less wash out? And if it's just not practical to approach this spot in a balanced way because it is so variable sensitive that we literally don't have a default from which to adjust (I think this is a logical impossibility but people seem to have no clue what I mean) so then, how does it depend and what does it depend on?

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06-11-2017 , 10:04 PM

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siebenacht

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It depends on your cbet sizing for example. On such a dry board you would want to take a smaller sizing. For sure, cbetting 75% is a very bad idea in this spot. Surprised btw, that no one in this thread mentioned this.

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06-13-2017 , 03:49 AM

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JudgeHoldem1848

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Originally Posted by siebenacht

Are you talking about with this hand or our range? Actually cbetting 100% in this spot with our range is a pretty good idea. There are better ideas, at times, but that wouldn't be a bad default.

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07-10-2017 , 08:32 AM

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felixxx1021

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 216

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Originally Posted by spewmachine

i think if you have the Kd slowplaying is even more correct.

even without the Kd this spot should be slowplayed like 65% of the time

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07-22-2017 , 09:51 PM

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Zekdawg

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Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 1

depends on how often villain folds to flop c-bets

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