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Old 01-16-2012, 06:05 PM   #1
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AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
playing against decent thinking player, he plays perfectly deep IP, 4betting alot, his 4bet is 14. Not played any 4bet pot vs him before, i was in ship/fold mode until now..
Shipping is bad assuming we are 160bb deep?
Calling and playin postflop/keep his bluffs?





    [hand_history]Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11634022

    Hero (BB): $317.65 (158.8 bb)
    SB: $377.80 (188.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q
    SB raises to $4, Hero raises to $16, SB raises to $38, Hero ?
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    Old 01-16-2012, 08:19 PM   #2
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    Re: AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
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    playing against decent thinking player, he plays perfectly deep IP, 4betting alot, his 4bet is 14. Not played any 4bet pot vs him before, i was in ship/fold mode until now..
    Shipping is bad assuming we are 160bb deep?
    Calling and playin postflop/keep his bluffs?





      [hand_history]Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11634022

      Hero (BB): $317.65 (158.8 bb)
      SB: $377.80 (188.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q
      SB raises to $4, Hero raises to $16, SB raises to $38, Hero ?
      Lol. Anyway call.
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      Old 01-17-2012, 07:35 AM   #3
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      Re: AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
      the preflopcall isnt that interesting. why do you shove the turn in that hand?
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      Old 01-17-2012, 07:18 PM   #4
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      Re: AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
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      the preflopcall isnt that interesting. why do you shove the turn in that hand?
      u think i should call/call?

      I shoved for protection, better hands are anyways stacking me off there no matter what line i take..
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      Old 01-17-2012, 07:19 PM   #5
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      ICWUDT
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      Old 01-17-2012, 08:57 PM   #6
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      Re: AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
      prefer calling. would prob shove if stacks were 100bbs.
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      Old 01-18-2012, 03:08 PM   #7
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      Re: AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
      AQ does well enough against 14% to 5bet/call
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      Old 01-18-2012, 04:19 PM   #8
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      AQ does well enough against 14% to 5bet/call
      Yep, assuming he is opening 100%
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      Old 01-20-2012, 08:53 AM   #9
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      Re: AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
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      u think i should call/call?

      I shoved for protection, better hands are anyways stacking me off there no matter what line i take..
      what about his bluffs? 5bet/call pre seems reasonable, as played call/call or raise flop, dont shove the turn.

      btw, dont post results, people know how to click on links.
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      Old 01-21-2012, 11:32 AM   #10
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      Re: AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
      I would have just called to see a flop if it were 100bb I'd instantly shove.

      less experienced player here, but I don't like shoving when you're that deep.
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      Old 01-21-2012, 01:09 PM   #11
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      Re: AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
      call, why so many pointless threads!!!
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      Old 01-21-2012, 01:53 PM   #12
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      Re: AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
      Just call pre. No need to 5 bet call you can't be feeling great about it this deep.

      Post flop don't protect your hand let him continue. You can keep in a wider range you are ahead of.
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      Old 01-21-2012, 02:14 PM   #13
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      Re: AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
      Def 5 betting vs 14% 4bet
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      Old 01-21-2012, 04:41 PM   #14
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      Re: AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
      How long have you been playing him? How do you know his 4b is 14% so concretely?
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      Old 01-21-2012, 04:51 PM   #15
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      Re: AQss facing 4bet 160BB deep
      about an hour or so.. He had shown alot 4bet bluffs, and had been folding to shoves alot 100bb deep, but the problem is just that we are a bit deep.
      So i wondered if its profitable to play this hand OOP, or shipping is best against 14% 4bettor no matter that we are 160bb deep
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