I'm learning HU NLHE - and after a little bit of effing around sat down and built a PF range as a starting point against unknowns [100 bb deep] (obviously I will adjust it based on villain behavior). The basic structure is Open on the button ~75%, Flat/3-Bet 20%/20% in the BB; and defend by calling or raising 60+% of the times I am re-raised.

I am not just going to blast out my ranges - but if any of the regs on here would be willing to look them over and give feedback, it would be very much appreciated!!

If you are up for it, let me know in the comments or PM and I can e-mail you excel or send a link to a screenshot.

Note: I'm playing the micro's right now - but am hoping to really understand hunlhe on a more fundamental level / move up etc.

pf ragnes are not that important HU (assuming you follow them with a solid postflop strategy, there can be multiple correct approaches), but you seem WAY too tight in both positions, you should be playing 80-100% from sb and 70-90% from bb vs 2x open, little less vs bigger opens. And try 3betting less, you can afford to be flatting a lot, so try 3betting something like 10-15%

Thank you, this is very helpful. I am re-building my ranges. Defending 70%-90% sounds really high... I'll give it a try though and see how it works out. After flatting out of the BB, do you ever donk?

If you want a solid base approach that will work vs fish and regs at small stakes then use something like 80sb@2.5x 50bb.

That sort of helps with rake aswell since you will do yourself no favours trying to play 100sb/80bb minraise strat vs random fish as all your winrate will be raked.

If they are doing something like only playing their BB 20% of the time then obv use 100%vpip from SB. Or if they are defending 100% of their BB then play like 70% of SB and 3x.

gl

This. Id pick between 2.5x and 3x at Micros

You need to defend more than 20%/20% out of the big blind even vs 4x pre. Can in theory defend 100% vs a minraise only strategy (though maybe some hands can be indifferent to folding or only a fold with rake considerations).

The reason why many people start out defending too tight oop is that it's not easy to have human intuition. When you only need to capture 1/4 of the dead money pre- you can defend really wide even though you have to check fold a lot.

As regards to donking- just make your life easier by never doing it.

Thanks all! this has been very helpful! I built an 86% open range; 55/15% BB defend range; 49/9% button call 3 / 4 bet range; 6/4% call 4 bet / 5 bet range... which I will use as a starting point.

In 3-4-5 betting, how do you think about polarized versus non-polarized ranges?

5 betting polarized at 100bb is always good

20% 3b is fine. There are winning mid+ regs who go as low as 13-14%, but I don't think that's particularly good as a default.

These are overall frequencies, right, as a percentage of your opening range? Because it's too loose if it's 49%/9% of all hands.

The other %s seem fine. You might want to fold to 4-bets a tad more, particularly if you are playing micros and you find out that people who aren't overtly maniacal tend to be tighter 4-bettors.

It was as a % of all hands - has me continuing (calling or 4 betting) with 67.2% of my opening range [58% of total hands]. Is this too loose? What % would you recommend as a starting point?

EDIT: the way I constructed the ranges was to be continuing 65%-70% of the time I raised. so if I am 3-betting 15% of hands then I wanted to either call a 4 bet or 5 bet 10% of hands; is this a bad way to think about range construction? The wide button opening range has me continuing a high portion of hands when 3 bet.


Thx, I'll tighten up my 4-bet calling / 5 betting ranges.

Was it a site you build your range or note book

I've just been building mine in excel.

Good stuff are you mostly using it for cash game or some sit n go's as well ?

At the moment just cash... getting my feet wet in the micros and in a weekly battle I have with a friend.

I looked at Nash equilibrium bet and call ranges for heads up from holdemresources' online calculator, and they are so much tighter than the ranges on this thread. I know Nash equilibrium is for all-in only and generally <=10BB effective stacks but why would the ranges be SO much tighter than discussed here?

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you answed your own question already.

If you can only open-shove or fold, ranges are naturally going to be tighter, and even more tight the deeper effective stacks get.

Also, you can safely ignore push-or-fold charts for when effective stacks are ~15 bbs or more, because at this stack sizes open-shoving the right hands is going to be profitable, but usually less profitable than min-raising for example.

Thanks. I found from experience that min raising and calling using Nash equilibrium ranges in heads up at greater than 10BB is quite unprofitable as you are folding too often. Filtering hands for VPIP it is very profitable, but the losses of blinds from all the folds are greater.

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