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Old 07-12-2012, 10:13 AM   #31
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Re: 600NL: 3bet pot IP with small overpair OTF

Sorry this hand kinda interesting me

Yeah call flop call any turn eval river is defo the most +Ev,

Flop

On the flop we have 55% equity vs (TT+,AJs+,KJs+,QJs,JTs,AJo+,KQo)

69/252 we need 27% to call which we definately have.

If we raise and he jams we will most like be up against a finer range of; (JJ+,AKs,AhQh,AhJh,AhTh,KhQh,KhJh,QhJh,JhTh)
which we have 25% vs a standard tag reg.
Not a great spot.

Turn

114+69+69 = 252

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hell, he might pot the turn for all we know
and we still have 38% vs the same range on 4h 2h 2c Ks

so we have the correct pot odds to call a pot bet vs the range previously described, but obv its more likely we're up against a range more like (KK+,AKs,AhQh,AhJh,AhTh,A2s,KJs+,AKo,KQo) which we have 17% equity against.

The River
If he hammers the river its most likely to be a polarised range of (KK+,AKs,AhQh,AhJh,AhTh,KJs+,QhJh,JhTh,AKo,KQo) which we have 12% against.

So say he bets like 122 ott, pot at river is 496 eff stacks are $352.

If he jams we need 29% to call which we dont have vs his likely range. He needs to bet like $140 for it to be a call... I dont think anyone would ever bet $140 with a missed flush draw though so when he bets $140 we more than like have 0% vs his range. So are we calling the turn when a A/K hits and folding every river?? I guess he can be on some crazy 3barrel with like 35s 56s AQo sometimes too but we dont have enough info to include that into his range right?

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Old 07-12-2012, 09:56 PM   #32
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Re: 600NL: 3bet pot IP with small overpair OTF

To those who are in the call flop boat, how many of you bet turn vs unknown when checked to ?
On turns:
A. 2-6
B. 7
C. 8-T
D. J-A

Those who check turn , do you generally bluff catch river scare cards?
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:23 PM   #33
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Re: 600NL: 3bet pot IP with small overpair OTF

Early on I check turns, bluff catch rivers or value bet safe cards myself on the river
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:57 PM   #34
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Re: 600NL: 3bet pot IP with small overpair OTF

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Early on I check turns, bluff catch rivers or value bet safe cards myself on the river
Generally my standard as well, just curious to see other's reasoning behind alternative lines.

I believe there is some merit vs decent/somewhat competent opponents to build an aggressive dynamic however with a value range here to balance some floats. Especially if they seem heroic enough to call brick turns with like some stronger A hi's / weaker pairs they may have 3B preflop
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Old 07-16-2012, 01:18 PM   #35
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Re: 600NL: 3bet pot IP with small overpair OTF

I don't raise this flop often but 77 is a raise for me.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:45 PM   #36
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Re: 600NL: 3bet pot IP with small overpair OTF

Either raising or calling is fine of course, as a supposed 600nl reg you should really know this
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:49 PM   #37
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Old 07-16-2012, 05:51 PM   #38
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Pretty sure it doesnt matter what u do here!
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:54 AM   #39
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Re: 600NL: 3bet pot IP with small overpair OTF

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lmao

Internet, why would you raise here? Because we can't rep much and get shoved on lightly from a thinking reg?
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Internet, why would you raise here? Because we can't rep much and get shoved on lightly from a thinking reg?
i dont go by exploitative thought processes like this when I dont have reads.

I think I want to have a small raising range here and 77 makes the value region as it's fine to stack off with and doesnt play too well on future streets with a call. The bluffing region will be two medium cards or some low cards with backdoor.
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:42 PM   #41
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i dont go by exploitative thought processes like this when I dont have reads.

I think I want to have a small raising range here and 77 makes the value region as it's fine to stack off with and doesnt play too well on future streets with a call. The bluffing region will be two medium cards or some low cards with backdoor.
Is this cause you are 4 betting your bigger pairs pre most of the time? If you flatted your whole range to a 3 bet, would 77 make the value region?
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