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Old 06-25-2012, 05:15 PM   #1
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50NL Top Pair Deep

Villain is pretty LAGGY, capable of making moves, but he's a winning player at these stakes. I feel really awkward calling down here. What do you think his range is/what should I do?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Merge, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
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BB: $112.60 (225.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $84.68 (169.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 Q
Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) 9 6 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.25, BB raises to $7.25,
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:34 PM   #2
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Re: 50NL Top Pair Deep

You have to call, this guy's check-raising range on this board has to have at least as many bluffs and semi-bluffs as value hands. Probably much more, because his value range is only 2pair+ imo - probably not c-raising A9.

I would call down on all turns and rivers except hearts, 7s and 8s.
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:38 PM   #3
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Re: 50NL Top Pair Deep

Yeah call down on blanks
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:32 PM   #4
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Re: 50NL Top Pair Deep

call, but you can check back flop here too
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Old 06-26-2012, 04:32 PM   #5
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Re: 50NL Top Pair Deep

OK thanks guys this was basically what I was wondering. Obviously not folding the flop, just wasn't sure how often I should call down turn and river.
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:04 AM   #6
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Re: 50NL Top Pair Deep

Fold flop vs. most 50nl regs. Seriously.
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:28 PM   #7
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Fold flop vs. most 50nl regs. Seriously.
Why bet this flop if you are not willing to call a raise? That's hugely exploitable.
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:47 PM   #8
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Re: 50NL Top Pair Deep

There's a reason I said vs. most 50nl regs. If you're worrying about being exploitable against most 50nl regs you're doing it wrong.

edit: I also never said to bet flop
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:08 PM   #9
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There's a reason I said vs. most 50nl regs. If you're worrying about being exploitable against most 50nl regs you're doing it wrong.

edit: I also never said to bet flop
Why would you ever not worry about being exploitable?

Ya you never said bet flop, but you didn't really say much in the way of what line you'd take here. I rally really hate checking back top pair when there are so many overs that can hit turn and make the hand even more awkward to play.
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:50 PM   #10
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Why would you ever not worry about being exploitable?
Because usually in poker, particularly against 50nl regulars, the most +ev play is not the gto play. You realize that these players have certain tendencies/leaks and you exploit them, assuming they're not good enough to notice your exploitation and/or know the correct adjustment. Most of this is actually true for 600nl regs as well but worrying about being exploitable in this particular spot against a 50nl reg is just superlol.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:30 PM   #11
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Re: 50NL Top Pair Deep

You're making the massive assumption that the only profitable way to play is to bumhunt. I doubt there is any reg at 50nl without some leaks. I mean, I get what you're saying, but 50nl players are exactly that.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:42 PM   #12
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Re: 50NL Top Pair Deep

I'm not talking about bumhunting. I've played many 600nl regs that I would fold flop against and I literally think this is a fold against 90%+ of 50nl HU regs.

edit: although I'm not even sure you read my last post since your response doesn't make any sense if it's actually in response to mine. You basically agreed with me in that 50nl regs have significant leaks. I just made the conclusion that balancing is retarded because of that and you seem to think because of this we should try to play gto.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:53 PM   #13
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Lol, the one I was replying to said "do not sit vs a 50nl reg" which is what I was responding to largely. but just to be clear, you are advocating folding top pair to a x/r based solely on the fact that the guy is a 50nl reg. Ok.
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Old 06-29-2012, 05:39 AM   #14
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Re: 50NL Top Pair Deep

^ he's correct though, you don't seem to get it

there's a difference between being exploitable and being exploited

also, you don't even grasp the idea of being unexploitable particularly well. unexploitability isn't 'zomg we can't fold top pair on drawy board'. just because we have top pair reasonable kicker doesn't neccessarily mean we can be exploited if we're folding it if you make some reasonable assumptions about our range for betting this flop

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Old 06-29-2012, 09:59 AM   #15
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Re: 50NL Top Pair Deep

zach im proud of u bro
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