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Old 05-17-2012, 03:02 PM   #16
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

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Old 05-17-2012, 03:18 PM   #17
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

Pretty sure any 2 pair should fold against this shove. It's awful.

No, noone is a fan of what you actually did. You realise for it to be a good bluff, it has to work close to 100% of the time?!
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Old 05-17-2012, 03:55 PM   #18
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

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Pretty sure any 2 pair should fold against this shove. It's awful.

No, noone is a fan of what you actually did. You realise for it to be a good bluff, it has to work close to 100% of the time?!
Sets raise the flop, so I literally lose to 3 combos of 88 and against those I have an oesd so not like I'm even drawing dead. Let's assume I have 8 outs:

odds of winning when called = 8/44 = 18.18%

Amount I win when he folds = $40
Amount I win when he calls and I win = $439
Amount I lose when he calls and I lose = $399

Let x = how often he calls. Total money I win:

x*(.1818*439-0.818*399) + (1-x)*40
-246.57*x + 40 - 40*x
-286.57*x + 40
Set that to 0 to see what breakeven point is:
40 = 286.57*x
x = 13.958%
So he has to fold ~86% of the time for this to be +ev.

He calls with 3 combos.

3 = .14*x
x = 21.4

So as long as he has a total of over 22 combos on the turn, the shove is +ev. Given that he was defending something like 80% of the time preflop and not folding that many flops it's pretty obvious he has way more than 22 combos and this shove is actually an extremely profitable bluff.

But keep just playing standard and not thinking out of the box. Meanwhile I'll keep printing money crushing regs at 400nl.
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Old 05-17-2012, 05:24 PM   #19
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

haha.
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Old 05-17-2012, 09:16 PM   #20
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

This thread is such a waste of space...
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Old 05-17-2012, 10:05 PM   #21
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

your betting 460 into pot of 40, if he was showing more aggression and pot was bigger this would be a good place to shove. for now i just think a near pot size bet is good.
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Old 05-17-2012, 11:44 PM   #22
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

It's only 399. It's fine, honestly I'm not sure why you posted it. Completely standard. Move along now...
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Old 05-18-2012, 06:51 AM   #23
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

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It's only 399. It's fine, honestly I'm not sure why you posted it. Completely standard. Move along now...
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Old 05-18-2012, 04:52 PM   #24
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

sometimes i wonder about you
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Old 05-18-2012, 05:09 PM   #25
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

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Sets raise the flop, so I literally lose to 3 combos of 88 and against those I have an oesd so not like I'm even drawing dead. Let's assume I have 8 outs:

odds of winning when called = 8/44 = 18.18%

Amount I win when he folds = $40
Amount I win when he calls and I win = $439
Amount I lose when he calls and I lose = $399

Let x = how often he calls. Total money I win:

x*(.1818*439-0.818*399) + (1-x)*40
-246.57*x + 40 - 40*x
-286.57*x + 40
Set that to 0 to see what breakeven point is:
40 = 286.57*x
x = 13.958%
So he has to fold ~86% of the time for this to be +ev.

He calls with 3 combos.

3 = .14*x
x = 21.4

So as long as he has a total of over 22 combos on the turn, the shove is +ev. Given that he was defending something like 80% of the time preflop and not folding that many flops it's pretty obvious he has way more than 22 combos and this shove is actually an extremely profitable bluff.

But keep just playing standard and not thinking out of the box. Meanwhile I'll keep printing money crushing regs at 400nl.
openjamming AA is also +EV...
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Old 05-18-2012, 05:27 PM   #26
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

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Old 05-21-2012, 06:59 AM   #27
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

just jam every turn becuase villain can never have the nuts if he doesnt raise u otf and they should fold most of their range anyways.
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Old 05-22-2012, 02:10 AM   #28
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

1.5x-2x pot instead of 10x pot imo

But I suck so w/e
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:47 PM   #29
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

This is a very advanced play. I would only do it if the opponent is a level 14 thinker or above.
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Old 05-27-2012, 03:10 PM   #30
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Re: 400nl HU vs. reg I turn the nuts and want to rep a draw

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Pretty sure any 2 pair should fold against this shove. It's awful.

No, noone is a fan of what you actually did. You realise for it to be a good bluff, it has to work close to 100% of the time?!
False, it only has to work approximately 91% of the time or better (last time I checked 91 is not close to 100) and that is even assuming we have 0% equity when called.

That said, I don't understand why its so easy for people to get trolled.
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