Should this be a fold on the flop? If not, a raise? As played what to do OTR?

$0.25 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 110.16 BB (VPIP: 72.22, PFR: 55.56, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 20)
Hero (BB): 161.48 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J Q

SB raises to 2.8 BB, Hero calls 1.8 BB

Flop: (5.6 BB, 2 players) T 7 2
Hero checks, SB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (13.6 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, SB bets 10.8 BB, Hero calls 10.8 BB

River: (35.2 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, SB bets 26 BB, Hero ?

I'd call this early in the match, i'd expect him to be barreling that turn and river more often than not. I'm just curious, what's the bottom of your preflop calling range? Thanks.

I will send someone to Texas to shake you if you folded.

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pretty standard spazzy 25nl button clicking. but just from the energy field of white magik it feels as if villian got there. also i never know if/when rei is trolling.

If you're going to fold on that flop, wouldn't calling preflop be bad? Hes going to bet that flop 100% of the time that his hand is worse than QJ, right?

What site has 25nl HU?

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ACR
It changes based on the v. If he's a guy who cbet gives up alot then it's pretty wide. Against a more aggressive villain I tighten up.

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No, folding QJo is just really bad, and what you do on flops like these doesn't really change that.

Is this Bovada? Or is this ACR?

In 20 hands he's 3betting 25%? you got QJ 4 bet that mother sucker.

He's raising 55% of his hands pre flop? - you need to have stats for how much he raises from SB and from BB just saying.

You're floating the flop for what reason? How often does he Cbet what percentage, i assume it's 80%+ Raise that mofo on the flop after 4betting him pre flop. then bam that beautiful queen hits. check behind. let him bet into you on the river and call.

as played, check raise him on the river, you can't let him push you around regardless of the ace. if it's ACR you can build some image. Bovada it's a little different. Go hard, son.

If we expect villain to barrel off w a bluff then we maybe ought not call flop and should be thinking check raise or fold.
If we think he will cbet a lot but shut down on many turns I like floating here to steal w river lead if turn checks thru w the understanding that we have a lot of good turns should villain continue firimg. We could check raise turns that improve us to straight draw but check call this turn seems obv.
As played I think calling river is pretty obvious to.

But I don't agree that we either have to continue vs flop cbet or fold pre. We have good enough pot odds and implied odds that we prob don't need to call this flop.

had to check my database to see if this was me you played. lol it wasn't.
his sizing vs. pot is 71%,79%,73%. so hes a 2/3 clicker and then up or down a click or two so its not the exact same everytime. ( which is ironic because if you pay close attention you can gauge his holding using that info)

his 3bet is not out of line IMO. people at 25nl on ACR don't play well when you 3bet a lot. personally over the last 500 hands or so my 3bet is like 38%. mostly due to playing villains who either 4bet or fold, or they call a lot and fold to cbet without TP+, or big draw. I mean if they 4bet or fold obviously I'm 3betting polarized and when they like to call or 4bet I am more linear. but still, everyone got the memo to open 80% in SB and as long as your not going bat **** insane I think 3betting a high freq. is good meta game.

back to the OP. lol have you 3bet him yet? is he a 4bettor or a caller? if hes a 4bettor then flatting is fine. I would call this river and not think twice. take extensive notes, I have HM2 so notecaddy does most of the work for me as far as that goes but I still takes a note on every showdown.( I don't multitable either)
Preflop: folding is baaadddd, 3betting is ok if he likes to call, flatting is prob. best.
Flop: x/r flop is meh( were going to be behind more often when called and if were balancing we should pick a better hand, like J9 or J8), x/f flop is horrible unless his cbet is like 15%. so x/c is good.
Turn: , lead is meh but ok could induce a bluff raise or a value raise from a hand like KK or AA (although its rare, we have to include those in villains range) , x/r is ok too if villain will stack off with draws but mostly bad as he will more than likely only call with better, so x/c turn is good.
River: with overcard and all draws brick except KJ, x/c is only play. we need to be right about 40% of the time.

overall I think this is standard call on river early on before any metagame is developed or super specific reads.

I don't think so, bro. Not one bit besides questioning the float.

The way everyone is really big on not folding this flop I am wondering if maybe i fold too much vs c-bets.

I would fold this flop to a cbet against a lot of players.

If i have the Qs I am always continuing (maybe raise, maybe call) but there are tons of players I can find a fold against on this flop. Is that too tight?

I think my default play here is to check and raise with Qs or Js and check call vs player I believe will c-bet almost everything but shut down if called.

If my opponent is barrel happy and i don't think i'll get the chance to float flop lead turn as a bluff then I'm mostly check folding the flop.

I can see myself check folding this spot pretty often actually, maybe something like 1/3 of the time.

Is it too nitty to check and fold this hand without back door spades against a bet that is larger than 1/2 pot and without knowing that villain will c-bet wide and shut down?
I mean i do see that this is a fine candidate for a float or check raise but it really does not look mandatory to me. And the consensus here seems to be that this is a "never fold" on the flop.

Am I a nit?

x/f is horrible unless he c-bet's super tight? I am curious what your reasoning is here (im a noob). We are OOP with two overcards and a backdoor draw. Are you thinking in terms of MDF? Or is this a situation where we have a range advantage and should continue at a high frequency? Are we considering range v. range equity?

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