i hate to even post this im the worst for this one and should be hung for this. but I was curious whats the best line to take in this spot. im guessing check calling here. But maybe i played the hand right because it so drawy and its more like pairs with a draw or like maybe just a draw with over card. he was callign my 3b with any 2 cards. so his range is very wide here. And when he raises i already thought i was beat but being the donkey i am i go all in and wanna see what he has. But that was just terrible i know those boards are dangerous and i think check calling might of been better I dont' know. Or maybe thats just cooler. 3 b aj was because he was a fish and calling with his entire range. but that flop i really didn't like and would like to know how you guys would of played that hand especially after the 3b

very standard. Checking this flop is bad against him

3B ship flop here, as you say his range is wide, he can have a bunch of worse JX hands, as well as some QT type hands, WP imo

What did villian have?

I like it draws all over that I looove getting it in on this flop.

So he had KQ no biggie.


After looking at results: Hah I was right on the money. Chalk up as cooler.

WP OP.
Your line was fine.

i guess just a cooler thx for info.

I love HU threads. 6 responses and none have even mentioned a range for villain. Flop bet is definitely fine but I'm not a huge fan of getting it in here we're gonna have pretty terrible equity against a lot of people. Also initial flop bet is probably way too big but given that you made it that big that's even more a reason to reconsider shipping. I mean we basically have the bottom of our value range here on a board that smacks the **** out of his preflop range.

Thats what i was thinking that board very dangerous and when he ships your only flipping at best. i thought i made a terrible jam. But since the villain played 100 percent of hands i have to reconsider his range to be wider but on this board i just dont see how hes bluffing very often. I thought maybe it was a fold on the flop but since it so drawing including a flush draw its really tough spot cause has so many drawing type hands there. With that kind of guessing game i think folding is ok but i do have an ace kicker and he could have kj or even q j or at worst probably with his 100 percent range i could see him doing this with even j 3 or something. But i see a lot of straights, 2 pair combinations theres just to many hands that hit him hard when hes raising here i think. It seems like either way is fine getting it in or folding. I think this one of those feel hands. Few people said they would fold and a few said they would get it in. I felt like i was beat thats why thought it was a bad shove but him playing every hand changed my mind haha.

Well played

ur betfolding?
i mean, it has some arguments etc, but its preety ridicolous against described nl25 villian who probably calls 80% of 3bets and often attacks boards like this with air/weaker made hands/draws etc etc
imo there is actually no need to talk about ranges, its a preety easy ship and move on, because we should never fold this flop against anyone at nl25 no matter what

I think the fact that it's 25nl and the fact that he's sized his flop raise super horrendously both point to it being value far more than a bluff. Has anyone even bothered to even think about ranges? What's his value range look like? How many bluffs does he have to have to make it a ship? Also the fact that hero bought in for $23 at 25nl makes it far more likely villain assumes hero is a fish (whether he is or not) and even further makes it likely that it's value a lot more than a bluff.

Also note I said against most people against some people yeah it's prob just shove w/e move on but there are a lot of people who literally have no bluff range here and we're just so completely smoked. Like their range could literally be 2p+ (of which he can pretty much have 100% of he prob 4bets the one remaining JJ combo and might 4b TT/99 some of the time) plus OESFDs. What's our equity look like against that especially considering most OESFDs have an over as well?

no i play for 25.00 i just don't set the auto reload i manually do it so players think im a fish and will stay at my table =). But we going all in there i guess im a fish. I just think im crushed there most of the time even though i know he will ship k j there and q j there. But he still has ton of equity. And any 9 with open ender hes shipping or even like 10 8. But when i went through the the stove on it and the hand ranges he can have. He is at least flipping most of the time and im actually behind a lot. I think its a bet fold once he raises. Once he raises on this board people just are bluffing with worse very often and if he does have worse he has a lot of equity. So i think now looking at it its a fold. Its just so hard to fold top pair with ace kicker i ended up over playing it imo.

but you guys are right people will ship it with a 10 pre at 25nl like its the nuts. A q and aj shipping pre at 25 nl has a lot of crushing value. But most flop boards like this they just dont bluff very often but ya you will see k j at times. But I just think in a vacuum on a board like this a j is just a muck in most situations unless the guy is isilduring you every hand. I looked more at absolute range then relative range which made me mr donkey here i think. After looking around about it and asking people most people told me i over played the and and played it very poorly. =(

It's possible you overplayed it yeah. Tough to know for sure without many reads, but your line is pretty standard.