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Old 06-08-2012, 05:28 PM   #1
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20NL: Just how spewey was this?

I am posting this with the full knowledge that it was most likely horrendous, and I would like to avoid results-oriented thinking, but I am pretty sure I played this hand terribly all the way down and would like some feedback. My goal here is to become a better player, not be some spewey luckbox. Obviously, I don't personally believe this hand makes that goal very clear.

    Cake Poker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
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    Hero (BB): $22.03 (110.2 bb)
    SB: $21.62 (108.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q
    SB raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.40, SB calls $0.80

    Flop: ($2.80) T 5 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.87, SB raises to $5.14, Hero calls $3.27

    Turn: ($13.08) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets $6.80, Hero calls $6.80

    River: ($26.68) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $8.69 and is all-in, SB calls $8.28

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    Seriously, just how out of line was I here?
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    Old 06-08-2012, 05:49 PM   #2
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

    Jam the flop
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    Old 06-08-2012, 05:56 PM   #3
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

    jam flop is most standard. check/shove turn is fine sometimes.
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    Old 06-08-2012, 06:06 PM   #4
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

    3bet bigger preflop, get it in on the flop now.
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    Old 06-09-2012, 04:13 AM   #5
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

    yeah id get the money in on the flop but ur turn call is fine u have more than enough immediate equity.
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    Old 06-09-2012, 05:26 AM   #6
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

    def shove flop
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    Old 06-09-2012, 09:19 AM   #7
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

    preflop size is pretty small you should make it 2,00 imo i guess i like to have a bigger flop bet size aswell something like 2,10 -> 2,20 the size you use is not a leak though.
    jam flop
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    Old 06-09-2012, 06:36 PM   #8
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

    Pre's a bit small but doubt it's that bad. I actually like how you play flop/turn but I just fold river, he's not bluffing and A high beats 0% of his value range.
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    Old 06-09-2012, 06:36 PM   #9
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

    Oh wait I'm retarded didn't realize you spiked your flush. But if river had been a blank I would fold despite the good odds it offers you.
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    Old 06-09-2012, 06:44 PM   #10
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

    You like the way he played the flop? I think raising>>>calling.

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    Old 06-09-2012, 08:42 PM   #11
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

    Raising certainly isn't awful, but it's not like we fold out much worse by raising and if he's bluffing he's gonna shove when we hit a lot.
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    Old 06-09-2012, 11:18 PM   #12
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

    At a glance I thought that shoving flop was just super obvious but after stoving some of your equity vs his likely hands I think you played it fine.
    You have such a strong draw that its fine to shove on the flop, its fine to wait till turn and decide, and it's fine to do what you did (getting about 3 to 1express odds and leaving him priced in to call it all on the river for better than 4 to 1 seems OK when you're usually drawing to half the deck).
    You don't really know how much equity you have on the flop because you don't know if your over cards are live or not, you also don't know how often he has a hand he can fold to a jam on the flop/turn or if he maybe even has a hand you don't want to fold out OTF (vs. bluff/semi bluff or pocket pair it might be better to see the turn and decide)
    Readless, your draw is strong enough that the only clear mistake I can see would be to fold it at any point. (I don't like x/jam turn though because your just not going to fold anything out..may as well either open jam and get some folds or x/c and keep your monies when you miss)

    On third thought, you don't know if your opponent has a flush draw, a striaght draw, a set, a TPTKish hand, a combo draw, or maybe an elaborate stunt with air I think I say "here, you do the math" and shove flop
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    Old 06-11-2012, 04:24 AM   #13
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

    Make sure to post the number of hands played with each other, your thoughts on how often they raise and with what kinds of hands and how tight and strong they are and your 3bet% and his defend to 3bet preflop.
    If you can't guess the answers to these questions then you might want to use pokertracker or holdem manager.
    Good luck
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    Old 06-13-2012, 11:37 PM   #14
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    Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

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    I am posting this with the full knowledge that it was most likely horrendous, and I would like to avoid results-oriented thinking, but I am pretty sure I played this hand terribly all the way down and would like some feedback. My goal here is to become a better player, not be some spewey luckbox. Obviously, I don't personally believe this hand makes that goal very clear.

      Cake Poker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (BB): $22.03 (110.2 bb)
      SB: $21.62 (108.1 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q
      SB raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.40, SB calls $0.80

      Flop: ($2.80) T 5 9 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.87, SB raises to $5.14, Hero calls $3.27

      Turn: ($13.08) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, SB bets $6.80, Hero calls $6.80

      River: ($26.68) 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $8.69 and is all-in, SB calls $8.28

      Spoiler:


      Seriously, just how out of line was I here?
      I dont see the issue with the hand? Jamming flop unless he always big hands then calling is fine but even still we have a lot of equity vs most of his hands on this flop
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      Old 06-14-2012, 11:06 AM   #15
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      Re: 20NL: Just how spewey was this?

      Cbet flop and shove if he reraises. 2overs nutsflush. You cant be far behind no matter what.
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