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01-28-2009, 06:39 AM
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veteran
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200NL - Video 2 tables
Hi, I just made this video. It's only 66Mo for about an hour.
Please apologize my poor english and I hope it'll not be too boring. I didn't talk much. It's my first vid, it'll better the next times.
Any advices are appreciated.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6R219QKJ
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01-28-2009, 06:43 AM
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banned
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
downloading ty for doing this (Y)
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01-28-2009, 03:34 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
Hello Rodolphe, hello everyone.
Here are some comments on what I saw.
(For everyone : I'm not a HU player, I'm just a small stakes CG player, so I may say stupid things not adapted to HU 200$ ... just so you know and don't start flaming me  )
0'27" : You RPF 2bb otb with 84s on the left table & RPF 3bb otb with T7o on the right table. Latter on, you seem to RPF 2bb with low hands and 3bb with better hands. Some of your opponents might pick up on this. Why don't you always raise to the same amount ?
0'57" : right table. You cbet 3/4pot with AQo (2overs + backdoor FD) on a 3bet pot. Are you ready to call if he shoves ? I might consider the Check-Raise Allin as an interesting alternative on the flop. I think you maximize your equity this way.
3'14" : right table : I like the call with ATs unstead of raising. It's a kind of WA/WB and you're only afraid of some random J/Q/K or a gutshot. I like the calling down + pot control. You say you missed some value, but isn't that result-oriented. You indeed missed value vs Tx, but that's a tiny part of his range.
4'33" : Isn't your raise size a bit small. You're giving him 2.5:1 on a very drawy board.
6'00" : right table : Agree with shove. The 9 only complete a gutshot draw (unfortunatly, here it is), but adds a lot of new draws. You can't let him have a cheap card here.
6'25" : Bon appetit
7'00" : I'm not sure I like the weak cbet on the flop. Could you tell me why you made it so small ?
9'50" : Samething as 7'00". Starts to look like your 1/2pot cbets are air and your 2/3 or 3/4 pot cbet are value ?
12'09" : Trying to rep the K on the turn, are you ? Wouldn't you tend to check a mid-pair for pot-control ? Your hand really looks like a FD. He could shove with air here ...
13'30" : Same as 12'09". Your bet on the turn doesn't tell much of a story. Your bet on the river looks ok, as now, you really rep the J.
17'10" : Not sure I like the shove on right table. It's his 1st 3bet + he's committed, you're putting your money behind most of the time. Oh wait, he has T5o ? Lol. Liked the board
(to be cont')
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01-28-2009, 04:54 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
(con't previous post)
21'00 : Overshove ? I don't think he's calling with a lone ace, and there's no way you could have a busted-draw. If you want his stack, I'd be more inclined to try a small weak-looking bet, hopping for a raise on his part. Like a 25$ bet, especially after your 30$ bet on the turn, might look weak enough to induce a bluff-raise on his part (although, he may be too passive to do this).
All in all, I think a 2/3psb has more EV than a push
23'45" : Call his RPF w/ J9o oop with low implied odds (1/2stack) ? I don't like. Nice hero-call on his part, though.
24'21" : Call a 3bet with 97s ? Is that standard or simply tilt ? When he checks the flop, you miss a very good chance to get the pot by not repping the ace. If he check-raises, you don't care much as you have total air : you don't need to protect yourself from a check-raise.
25'18" : I'm not a fan of showing hands, but here, you have a great opportunity to put your opponent totally on tilt by showing your bluff, especially if indeed he has kings. He'll think about that other hand that you overshoved 4 minutes ago and think it was also good. He'll tilt 100% of the time and you can thereafter grind his whole stack just by overplaying your good hands and not bluffing any more.
26'51" : Geee, I really am not a HU player. I think this call is sooo strange and I can't figure out why i t could ever be justified. Even if he is tilting and shoves as much as top-25%, why would your risk 1/2 your stack carefully grinded during 25' on a coinflip ? Love the table talk ...
29'25" : You say that he wouldn't check the ace oop on the flop. Why not, especially if he has a low/med kicker ? If he bets, he makes all your mid/low-pair hands fold, by checking, he keeps them in play. If he has an ace, this board is not very scary in a 3bet pot, he can afford giving a free card. If he has TT-KK, he won't fold for a single bet. On the turn, I like a semi-bluff shove. For example, vs (66+,A2s+,A6o+) your equity on the turn is 31%, so a shove is +EV even if called. Fold-equity makes it even more +EV.
(to be con't later)
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01-28-2009, 06:01 PM
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veteran
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
Thank you very much for all the time you put to write this. I really appreciate.
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Originally Posted by MyKQ
Hello Rodolphe, hello everyone.
Here are some comments on what I saw.
(For everyone : I'm not a HU player, I'm just a small stakes CG player, so I may say stupid things not adapted to HU 200$ ... just so you know and don't start flaming me  )
0'27" : You RPF 2bb otb with 84s on the left table & RPF 3bb otb with T7o on the right table. Latter on, you seem to RPF 2bb with low hands and 3bb with better hands. Some of your opponents might pick up on this. Why don't you always raise to the same amount ?
I minraise against shortstackers. This is standard, just to save chips when they shove (often).
0'57" : right table. You cbet 3/4pot with AQo (2overs + backdoor FD) on a 3bet pot. Are you ready to call if he shoves ? I might consider the Check-Raise Allin as an interesting alternative on the flop. I think you maximize your equity this way.
I have less than 2 to 1 to call a shove, I think I fold. I don't know if I like the check/raise, this flop hits so much his range it might be too spewy. Idk.
3'14" : right table : I like the call with ATs unstead of raising. It's a kind of WA/WB and you're only afraid of some random J/Q/K or a gutshot. I like the calling down + pot control. You say you missed some value, but isn't that result-oriented. You indeed missed value vs Tx, but that's a tiny part of his range.
The more I think about it, the more I like leading the river. With bluffs, most of the time he'll stop. If he has me beat, no matter what I do I lose money, but when he has a T (and he's telling me he could have one) I get value.
4'33" : Isn't your raise size a bit small. You're giving him 2.5:1 on a very drawy board.
Right.
6'00" : right table : Agree with shove. The 9 only complete a gutshot draw (unfortunatly, here it is), but adds a lot of new draws. You can't let him have a cheap card here.
6'25" : Bon appetit
7'00" : I'm not sure I like the weak cbet on the flop. Could you tell me why you made it so small ?
9'50" : Samething as 7'00". Starts to look like your 1/2pot cbets are air and your 2/3 or 3/4 pot cbet are value ?
Fish are not adjusting. I know it's highly exploitable, I do it rarely, I think it's ok against bad players until they show they can adjust to that.
12'09" : Trying to rep the K on the turn, are you ? Wouldn't you tend to check a mid-pair for pot-control ? Your hand really looks like a FD. He could shove with air here ...
I rep 33, 44, 77, KK, AA, 88-QQ, AK, KQ, KJ, KT, K9, K8, K7, K6, K4, K3, K2, 74s, 56 
Flush draws are obviously a part of my range but he can't narrow that much my range and shove the turn w/ air very often I guess.
I've been agressive pf, flop and turn. I don't see how he could exclude big hands from my range.
13'30" : Same as 12'09". Your bet on the turn doesn't tell much of a story. Your bet on the river looks ok, as now, you really rep the J.
Again, about last hand, I don't understand why it's a bad story to take a raise/bet/bet line. I guess it's very standard to barrel that turn, there is a ton of midpairs in his range that can't stand an other bet. And I have a gutshot and an overcard when called.
17'10" : Not sure I like the shove on right table. It's his 1st 3bet + he's committed, you're putting your money behind most of the time. Oh wait, he has T5o ? Lol. Liked the board
KQs against a 20bb shortstacker is da nuts
21'00 : Overshove ? I don't think he's calling with a lone ace, and there's no way you could have a busted-draw. If you want his stack, I'd be more inclined to try a small weak-looking bet, hopping for a raise on his part. Like a 25$ bet, especially after your 30$ bet on the turn, might look weak enough to induce a bluff-raise on his part (although, he may be too passive to do this).
All in all, I think a 2/3psb has more EV than a push
One thing I've learned playing HU is that in that spot, after calling twice, Villain is never ever folding TP in that spot.
Nevertheless, I could easily be wrong about that. I'd appreciate any other comments about this.
23'45" : Call his RPF w/ J9o oop with low implied odds (1/2stack) ? I don't like. Nice hero-call on his part, though.
I have less implied odds, I have also less reverse implied odds (and I'm concerned about that because I'll not only play for straight or DP and better). I don't know if my call is bad, folding is totally fine for sure but I would say calling is fine too.
24'21" : Call a 3bet with 97s ? Is that standard or simply tilt ? When he checks the flop, you miss a very good chance to get the pot by not repping the ace. If he check-raises, you don't care much as you have total air : you don't need to protect yourself from a check-raise.
No tilt here. I don't know how standard it is. I thought that he's bad and passive, it's easy to play that hand in position against him so I called.
25'18" : I'm not a fan of showing hands, but here, you have a great opportunity to put your opponent totally on tilt by showing your bluff, especially if indeed he has kings. He'll think about that other hand that you overshoved 4 minutes ago and think it was also good. He'll tilt 100% of the time and you can thereafter grind his whole stack just by overplaying your good hands and not bluffing any more.
Yeah
26'51" : Geee, I really am not a HU player. I think this call is sooo strange and I can't figure out why i t could ever be justified. Even if he is tilting and shoves as much as top-25%, why would your risk 1/2 your stack carefully grinded during 25' on a coinflip ? Love the table talk ...
Probably marginal at best. I should have folded. We were both 3betting a lot and I planned to get it in when I made the 3bet so I called. But no need to gamble like that against someone that bad. It's just that, so many times I see T5o or Q7s that it becomes hard to not go broke w/ A8s against someone a bit crazy lol.
29'25" : You say that he wouldn't check the ace oop on the flop. Why not, especially if he has a low/med kicker ? If he bets, he makes all your mid/low-pair hands fold, by checking, he keeps them in play. If he has an ace, this board is not very scary in a 3bet pot, he can afford giving a free card. If he has TT-KK, he won't fold for a single bet. On the turn, I like a semi-bluff shove. For example, vs (66+,A2s+,A6o+) your equity on the turn is 31%, so a shove is +EV even if called. Fold-equity makes it even more +EV.
You're right.
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01-28-2009, 08:58 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
oo, I love HU vids.. thanks!
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01-28-2009, 11:03 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
downloaded, commenting soon..
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02-04-2009, 03:18 PM
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grinder
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
Good Video enjoyed
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02-04-2009, 04:54 PM
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veteran
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
I want people berating my plays plz, lol.
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02-04-2009, 07:52 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Aug 2008
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
i watched a bit and actually thought u were pretty terrible, and i am surprised u can survive even at 200nl.
(only because u asked, i wouldnt post anything otherwise. i wont pinpoint the specific situations, but based on some calls/bets w no value and some questions u were asking u seemed to miss some fundamentals.
ex so its not a complete destructive criticism ( u have T5s on SB, u ch KQT fd, T turn u bet w 3rdpair no kicker + bdfd and then call a decent river lead saying lots of draws missed, and opp has a q.. the turn bet has no value since u wont get called by worse and if he has any draw he is raising and u have to fold, and the river lead looks like a thin value by some weakish K or even a Q, probably not stronger, as for his bluffing freq. i didnt watched enough hands from that player but as a std i dont like making that call, its not a common bluff spot and that flop hits his calling range from BB anyway)
Last edited by nuno; 02-04-2009 at 08:10 PM.
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02-04-2009, 11:44 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodolphe
Please apologize my poor english
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you are excused
nice vid btw
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02-05-2009, 05:25 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
only 20 mins in, so far seems pretty solid.. it's always so much easier to evaluate hands afterward then play a hand in the heat of the moment, especially with HU where you're involved in so many.
just have a couple comments, the first AQ hand where you 3-bet, and flop comes 9105 2 clubs, I'd probably just check there, you don't have to always follow through if it hits a big part of his range.. plus he was a donk so he's never folding any piece or draw.. 78/any 9/any 10/QJ/QK/JK and flush draws are all either peeling or raising... Also for bet-sizing I'd just make it a bit smaller there if I was going to bet, I bet smaller in 3-bet pots in general unless up against a bad player
The other AQ hand around 20th minute where you shoved for almost 2x pot with Aces up, he'll never have worse Aces up since he c/c 2 streets and I think even bad players (non maniacs) will fold an ace/rag there.. I'd probably just make a normal 4/5 value bet there.
3-betting 2's I don't usually do but it's probably not bad if he folds to 3-bets a lot
the A10 triple barrel of the J82KJ 2 diamond seems fine, as you noted the river bet-size was too big for what you wanted to fold out.. though I check the river a lot b/c I think I'm good there a ton of the time.
~30th minute, 89s in 3-bet pot..check the flop back, when he's checking a board that dry after 3-betting preflop it should send off alarm bells.. plus your bet accomplishes nothing this is the same person who called down Ace high on a coordniated board he's not going to c/f 10's through K's.. If you had air I'd still check back it just wreaks of trap...
will watch the rest after some sleep
Last edited by Marwan; 02-05-2009 at 05:33 AM.
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02-05-2009, 06:13 AM
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veteran
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
ty nuno. Could you give me the min of this T5 hand ?
I don't understand the hand, it's KQTT ? I have trip and not 3rd pair.
Could you detail the "fundamentals" I have problems with ?
btw, those are my stats on 200NL :
It's not great but so far I survived and I made money. You know, it's hard to comment while playing and maybe it's why I look dumb or something. Or you're right 
But plz, I'd really enjoy more explanations about what's wrong, ty again.
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02-05-2009, 11:16 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
i have only watched a few hands, imo u cbet way tooo much i have seen u cbet like every single hand so far. that just encourages people to make moves against u.
while that can be profitable if u read ur opponents well, i wud rather try to make my opponents play more straight forwardly so i can interpret the c/r or whatever w/o having to factor in that they know im betting with air most of the time.
having watched the AQ hand i like a c/f here tbh. if u hit an overcard it may complete a draw, or villain may make two pair. like u said, it hits his range so hard i dont think u are EVER winning this pot with a cbet.
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02-05-2009, 11:17 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 200NL - Video 2 tables
44 as well u shud raise man
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