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Old 02-03-2012, 10:02 PM   #1
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200nl: Monotone flop, terribad triple barrel?

Readless, is this terribad? How do you guys proceed postflop?

    $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11782122

    SB: $113.90 (57 bb)
    Hero (BB): $200.90 (100.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q T
    SB completes, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $6

    Flop: ($16) K 8 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $11, SB calls $11

    Turn: ($38) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $27.50, SB calls $27.50

    River: ($93) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $154.40 and is all-in



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      $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11782142

      BB: $226.80 (113.4 bb)
      Hero (SB): $200 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 Q
      Hero raises to $8, BB calls $6

      Flop: ($16) 3 4 6 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB raises to $22, Hero ???



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      Old 02-03-2012, 10:23 PM   #2
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      Re: 200nl: Monotone flop, terribad triple barrel?

      Hand 1 readless- my standard would be to check flop and bet/bet or bet/give up. As played I would bet 69 otr

      Hand 2 - you're putting yourself in a high variance spot. If you think he will c/r a 5 and give up on lots of turns and rivers i like it. If he's the type to barrell offI don't like it. If it's readless at the begining of the match I generally give the first c/r credit.
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      Old 02-03-2012, 10:48 PM   #3
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      Re: 200nl: Monotone flop, terribad triple barrel?

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      Hand 2 - you're putting yourself in a high variance spot. If you think he will c/r a 5 and give up on lots of turns and rivers i like it. If he's the type to barrell offI don't like it. If it's readless at the begining of the match I generally give the first c/r credit.
      So if he checks the turn, should we assume he bluff-checkraised flop and can safely make a big bet assuming he'd fold? And river? Or do we just check it down a.k.a. give up if we don't hit anything?
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      Old 02-03-2012, 11:06 PM   #4
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      Re: 200nl: Monotone flop, terribad triple barrel?

      i'd be betting at least 90% of turn cards if checked to. People generally don't take the c/r c/r line. If you take this line you need to bet river a high % too
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      Old 02-03-2012, 11:29 PM   #5
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      Re: 200nl: Monotone flop, terribad triple barrel?

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      i'd be betting at least 90% of turn cards if checked to. People generally don't take the c/r c/r line. If you take this line you need to bet river a high % too
      This doesn't apply if he is 1) a station 2) shortstacked, right?
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      Old 02-03-2012, 11:37 PM   #6
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      Re: 200nl: Monotone flop, terribad triple barrel?

      If he's a station def fold the flop and just value-town him when you have a hand.
      Some people can still fold here if they're short, but generally it's harder to make them do so, so the argument for folding flop is stronger
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      Old 02-03-2012, 11:38 PM   #7
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      Re: 200nl: Monotone flop, terribad triple barrel?

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      If he's a station def fold the flop and just value-town him when you have a hand.
      Some people can still fold here if they're short, but generally it's harder to make them do so, so the argument for folding flop is stronger
      Awesome, thanks.
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      Old 02-04-2012, 10:51 AM   #8
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      Re: 200nl: Monotone flop, terribad triple barrel?

      Hand 1 is fine. Might wanna tweak up your sizing depending on villain's tendencies (because of the small stack size).

      Hand 2 a peel is fine. Pot odds, Q is often good, position, villain is a retard and will pay off on a 5. And your gutshot is to the nuts (essentially, since 87 is only a very small % of his range)

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      Hand 1 readless- my standard would be to check flop and bet/bet or bet/give up. As played I would bet 69 otr

      Hand 2 - you're putting yourself in a high variance spot. If you think he will c/r a 5 and give up on lots of turns and rivers i like it. If he's the type to barrell offI don't like it. If it's readless at the begining of the match I generally give the first c/r credit.
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      Old 02-05-2012, 06:35 AM   #9
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      Re: 200nl: Monotone flop, terribad triple barrel?

      opps i misread this, got threads mixed up, thought this was a big cr vs a fish, sorry you obv have to call and take away on later streets. logic for betting turn and river stands.
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      Old 02-06-2012, 05:23 PM   #10
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      Re: 200nl: Monotone flop, terribad triple barrel?

      hand 1 is only ok if we shoving rivers if not give up turn, im not sure how much we want to e pushing super thin edges vs fish who we have no reads on and thus capable of calling river with 3rd pair. Pre is alot closer than most think also. I think i just slow down on turn and expect to win the pot on like 15ish cards.
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