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200 nl what to do on flop and turn 200 nl what to do on flop and turn

04-19-2014 , 12:09 AM
Call flop, check turn.
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04-19-2014 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Spladle
Call flop, check turn.
Doesn't checking behind miss out a ton of value we obtain from villain's overpairs, I don't think he is bluffing river that often assuming a narrow 3 bet range pre so checking behind turn wouldn't extract value from keeping villain's bluffs in?
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04-19-2014 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Spladle
Call flop, check turn.
Haha Spladle returns...whats your thought process for this?
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04-19-2014 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DREAMS_DONT_DIE
Doesn't checking behind miss out a ton of value we obtain from villain's overpairs
It's hard to have an overpair. I'd expect overpairs to comprise a minority of villain's range after checking the turn here. Checking behind may miss a bet against overpairs if villain chooses to check/call the river instead of bet/calling with them. If you know that villain has an overpair and will check-call two streets with it if you bet twice but only check-call the river if you check behind, then obviously you should bet the turn.

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Originally Posted by DREAMS_DONT_DIE
I don't think he is bluffing river that often assuming a narrow 3 bet range pre so checking behind turn wouldn't extract value from keeping villain's bluffs in?
If villain bluffs the river with any frequency >0, checking the turn makes more money against these hands than betting would (unless he would check/call or check/raise the turn with hands that'd need to bluff the river to win if we checked behind on the turn).
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04-19-2014 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazaro
Haha Spladle returns...whats your thought process for this?
I think checking the turn is better because I expect it to make more money against villain's range than betting would. Surely you're familiar with the concept of checking in a spot where betting for value (or as a bluff) would be profitable?

What do you expect villain's range for 3-betting pre, betting the flop, and checking the turn to look like? How do you expect villain to play this range in response to a bet? In response to a check?
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04-20-2014 , 05:55 AM
[QUOTE=Spladle;42954189]It's hard to have an overpair. I'd expect overpairs to comprise a minority of villain's range after checking the turn here. Checking behind may miss a bet against overpairs if villain chooses to check/call the river instead of bet/calling with them. If you know that villain has an overpair and will check-call two streets with it if you bet twice but only check-call the river if you check behind, then obviously you should bet the turn.



If villain bluffs the river with any frequency >0, checking the turn makes more money against these hands than betting would (unless he would check/call or check/raise the turn with hands that'd need to bluff the river to win if we checked behind on the turn).[/QUOTE

I think its hard to find a villain that bluffs river=0 frequency, so im guessing you're saying you always check behind this turn? I completely agree that vs villain's range comprising of air checking is obviously more +EV
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04-22-2014 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DREAMS_DONT_DIE
I think its hard to find a villain that bluffs river=0 frequency, so im guessing you're saying you always check behind this turn? I completely agree that vs villain's range comprising of air checking is obviously more +EV
No, I wouldn't always be checking behind on this turn, I'd simply bet a more polarized range that does not include 65.
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