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07-18-2016 , 09:11 PM

Sub-Zer0118

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,223

Have ~300 hands on villain. 59/53/2.3 with 29% 3bet and 80% fold to 3bet.

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10
Winning Poker Network
2 players

Stacks:
BTN - Hero ($17.83)
BB - BB ($26.07)

Preflop: ($0.15, 2 players) Hero is BTN with Q

Hero raises to $0.30, BB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: 3

($1.80, 2 players)
BB bets $1.14, Hero calls $1.14

Turn: A

($4.08, 2 players)
BB bets $2.58, Hero calls $2.58

River: 8

($9.24, 2 players)
BB bets $5.85

Spoiler:

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07-20-2016 , 01:23 AM

fityfmi

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,697

easy call bro

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07-20-2016 , 09:52 AM

kakospaidis

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 573

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Originally Posted by fityfmi

easy call bro

Could you get more specific about why is this an easy call??

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07-20-2016 , 12:08 PM

fityfmi

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,697

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Originally Posted by kakospaidis

Could you get more specific about why is this an easy call??

You are chopping with and even beating potential valuebets. Aside from that, if you start folding hands this strong, the opponent will be able bluff you relentlessly, and turn a profit doing so. The hand is actually very straight forward for you postflop. Not really anything else you could have done.

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07-20-2016 , 03:41 PM

Sub-Zer0118

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,223

I thought I was good 100% but I'm not sure a 2 AF bluffs this river. Idk.

I find myself in these marginal weird spots often and was just wondering if I am playing bad or what because over 7k hands my net is -3 buyins but I don't feel like I'm pissing away money or anything. Thanks for the reassurance.

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07-20-2016 , 06:19 PM

kakospaidis

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 573

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Originally Posted by fityfmi

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First of all I wanna point out that for me the hand looks marginal after villain 3-bets it pre.Of course his 3-bet stat is on the roof but again.
If it was just a call from the BB it would be a pretty STD call.
Plus I dont see how i chop or beat any valuebets in this spot.
I mean he could go for like 3 streets of value with AJ,AT but I think these are the only bare Ax hat we beat.We could easily be against better two pair,sets and the backdoor FD got there on the river.
What do you think?

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07-30-2016 , 06:42 AM

Pipedreamer101

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 348

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Originally Posted by kakospaidis

What about them bluffs though...

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07-30-2016 , 10:04 PM

Rei Ayanami

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 11,685

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Originally Posted by Sub-Zer0118

AF is a ****ty stat for HUNL. It doesn't tell you much about how often people bluff in this spot. 2 is pretty normal, too; people won't have high AFs in HUNL because of the amount of x/c-ing in single-raised pots that is necessary.

You have 7k hands (and probably more by the time you're reading this), so what you can do is go through your database, filter for all the larger pots that got to showdown, and try to get a rough grasp on how often people bluff. It'd be alarming, and useful, if only like 10% of the hands you see are bluffs, excluding maniacs.

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08-05-2016 , 08:43 AM

swagurrrr

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Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 206

if you aren't snap calling any size river bet after hitting the ace on the turn, fold the turn.

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08-12-2016 , 10:58 AM

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SantaMuerte

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 86

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Originally Posted by swagurrrr

if you aren't snap calling any size river bet after hitting the ace on the turn, fold the turn.

Yes, definitely always use a "fit or fold" strategy. Never try to use your brain when decisions get hard. Very good advice.

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09-21-2016 , 03:39 PM

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cashmoney111

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 154

I don't see any good advice from anyone so all chime in. If hes 3b 29% of hands you should be 4b the AQ any broad way cards and when u hit a pair or big draw bomb away. I haven't clicked the spoiler but I am guessing he had a weak marginal hand that AQ should be dominating. Don't show the spoiler or you might get result oriented answer btw.

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10-02-2016 , 11:02 AM

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LeavingLasVegas

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Originally Posted by cashmoney111

Wouldn't this be dependant on how he's reacting to our 4b?

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10-02-2016 , 08:32 PM

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Iwant2headsup

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Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 33

I'm not folding.

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10-03-2016 , 01:30 PM

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Nick_AA

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,458

You must call this river every time IMO. With a weaker ace (i.e.: AT or worse starts to get difficult). I don't mind small 4b vs that wide 3b range either. Develop a read for hand strength at showdown to help. Some players will not bet worse than tptk for value on river oop. Some will barrel flopped top pair regardless of runout. Know this about your opponent.

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10-03-2016 , 09:12 PM

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LeavingLasVegas

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Originally Posted by Nick_AA

What if they play a shove or fold style vs small 4b? Would it still make sense to 4b AQ? AJ?

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