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100NL: TT vs 4betting fish, deep stacks. Line check. 100NL: TT vs 4betting fish, deep stacks. Line check.

11-11-2010 , 11:51 AM
Villain is a big fish. He folds to 3bet 18% of the time, 3bets 38% of the time, 4bets 10% of the time and cbets 100% of the time over 200 hands. He opens OTB 80% of the time.

So my flop plan was to call and stack off low flop. Is this line ok?


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Hero (BB): $435.20
BTN/SB: $268.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with T T
BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, BTN/SB raises to $30, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($60.00) 9 8 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $47.00, Hero raises to $134, BTN/SB raises to $238, Hero calls $104

Fine?
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11-11-2010 , 11:55 AM
One thing more. I have called only one time his 4bet, others time I always folded.
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11-11-2010 , 01:03 PM
Tough spot given how deep you are, I'd probably c/c.
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11-11-2010 , 02:52 PM
cr flop seems a must vs this type of bet he can easily jam AK or worse pairs
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11-11-2010 , 03:13 PM
I mean if you're flatting the 4bet you cant not c/r this flop since it's as perfect as you'll get. Specific reads rather than just hud stats would be really helpful here as you will have a far greater idea of whether he's aggro, whether he's gonna bet AK or just check it back "cos it missed"

That said, without incredibly detailed reads the hand more or less plays itself
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11-11-2010 , 05:24 PM
I guess I get the as played, nothing we can do diff. But isn't calling off here just bad? we can't beat 88+, really we beat AK. vs big fish, are we really stacking off ~300bbs with a bluff catcher? Just wondering if this is std.
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11-11-2010 , 05:48 PM
he could've been 4-bet bluffing with 9x or something you just have to go with it. He only folds to 3-bet 18% so it's not like he's afraid of your range.
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11-11-2010 , 05:58 PM
don't 3 bet
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11-11-2010 , 10:16 PM
I don't really like your c/r size with stack sizes. I'd rather just c/jam or make it a sizing that's going to induce him to ship w/ worse. I think w/ your size, you're sort of saying, "alright I'm committed show me a better hand"
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11-11-2010 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by IcarusJam
don't 3 bet
What??

He only folds 18% and he only 4bets 10% so he is CALLING 72% WITH TRASH. I think not 3betting is a huge error.

That said, I think its tough to say what we should do on the flop without more information. Does he double barrel in 3b pots or will he shut down with air? What about in regular pots?

I think c/r flop is fine, but I do think the c/r size is too large.
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11-12-2010 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by IcarusJam
don't 3 bet
why

Quote:
Originally Posted by Casper05
What??

He only folds 18% and he only 4bets 10% so he is CALLING 72% WITH TRASH. I think not 3betting is a huge error.

That said, I think its tough to say what we should do on the flop without more information. Does he double barrel in 3b pots or will he shut down with air? What about in regular pots?

I think c/r flop is fine, but I do think the c/r size is too large.
is 10% only? stat name is four-bet_range.
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11-12-2010 , 07:15 AM
Doesn't his 4b% depend on your 3b range? How much were you 3b?

And yeah you could do all sorts of things here with some reads. Depending on what range he'll ship, you might even wanna min-5-bet or something.

Unless you're folding, I really don't think you can go too wrong with this one.
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11-12-2010 , 07:27 AM
nh
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11-12-2010 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by xyz3
Doesn't his 4b% depend on your 3b range? How much were you 3b?

And yeah you could do all sorts of things here with some reads. Depending on what range he'll ship, you might even wanna min-5-bet or something.

Unless you're folding, I really don't think you can go too wrong with this one.
My 3bet was quite high, towards to 20% what was mistake tho.
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11-12-2010 , 07:30 PM
You can pretty much stop bluff 3betting if he defends so wide, if 20% is all for value then it's not per definition wrong.
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11-13-2010 , 09:34 AM
This is an easy stack off against described opponent the way you've played, which actually is greatly played. If he shows you better, be it JJ+ or set two pair it's just massive cooler. only 1 thing: usually in my experince this flop betsizing is strong/has lots of equity. I guess he showed you JJ+.
But still, WP.
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11-13-2010 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CastlesMadeASand
I don't really like your c/r size with stack sizes. I'd rather just c/jam or make it a sizing that's going to induce him to ship w/ worse. I think w/ your size, you're sort of saying, "alright I'm committed show me a better hand"
like it!
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11-15-2010 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PureDiesel
This is an easy stack off against described opponent the way you've played, which actually is greatly played. If he shows you better, be it JJ+ or set two pair it's just massive cooler. only 1 thing: usually in my experince this flop betsizing is strong/has lots of equity. I guess he showed you JJ+.
But still, WP.
He showed QQ this time but I am happy with my play. Only my betsizing is questionable. I think check-jam line is the best.
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09-20-2011 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by IcarusJam
don't 3 bet
Why sir?
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