Hero raises to $3 pf every button (when he did that first hand and cbet $5, I c/r'd to $18 with NF on A75ccc board and he folded) 2 hands later, he 3bet my PFMR to $7. 2hands later, this hand happens. I don't know what he's c/r'ing flop with.

K7 and 77 are the only value hands that make sense, and QT/T9. But is QT/T9 bluff leading so big on this river? What do you guys do?

$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #28884741

BB: $95.70 (95.7 bb)
Hero (SB): $103.50 (103.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K 5
Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4) J 7 K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($24) 4 (2 players)
BB bets $16, Hero calls $16

River: ($56) T (2 players)
BB bets $48, Hero ???

fold river and wp.

His sizing and this river make me want to fold. Plenty of two pair combos in his range, not to mention every draw either completes or picks up a pair. Readless I assume he is checking mid pair type hands on the river.

So, after <10 hands or so, you've somehow acquired enough info to exclude KJo from his preflop flatting range and conclude that he can x/r and double barrel QT/T9 but not Q9/98!

Seems like a very biased take on the hand (ranges are skewed w/o justification to lend more support to calling).

But . . .

. . . gray is the color of folding, so it looks like you made the right decision anyway.

Try to be more impartial in the future, though.

In terms of generating correct frequencies this hand would be very close to a turn fold for me. With any decent reads that could obv quickly change.

So you're only calling the flop c/r to spike a 2 pair/FD/king OTT to continue?

Rei, I'm not very good at HU but I presume good players 3bet KJo pf? Also, I'd assume they're less likely to c/r gutterballs OTF, except unless they're combo draws. Is that incorrect?

Well in theory judgeholdem looks correct in that if our opponent is playing optimal he should be giving up with a good amount of bluffs on the turn. He won't be giving up on most of them just a fair number of them. If you don't either your turn and river frequencies are too bluff heavy or do not have enough bluffs in them i.e. unbalanced. So if we were playing a theoretically optimal opponent, we might call a weak K on the flop and then fold it on the turn since we no longer have to continue to call it vs his balanced range, but we did have to on the flop. When we are calling we are drawing to two pair, trips, or some other equity like a FD or drawing to his check which should signal a give up or something of a bluff catcher (traps are unlikely on this board because of the number of draws out there).

The problem is our opponents probably arn't playing theoretically optimal so if the CR is rarely a bluff you need to fold the flop (because if they only check raise two pair+ or the nut flush draw - you can't continue with a one pair hand). If they CR tonnes of air then fire it on the turn and river you just never fold. If against a balanced player it's correct to call flop and give up on turn with part of your range and call turn and give up on river with part of your range. Your range should be balanced to call the river bets enough of the time and his range should be balanced to make you indifferent to doing so.

Again it needs to be stressed, this is against a theoretically optimal opponent. The issue is no one knows exactly what the optimal frequencies are, which hands to do them with, and which hands to defend with. Even if you had a slight preflop error your frequencies can now be way off. Most players arn't even close to optimal. The nosebleed players are working towards it. Sauce, for example, aims for a GTOish somewhat balanced strategy but he doesn't know if he is right (and jungle and WCGRider think his game doesn't make any sense).

fold riv

are you still thinking this?

IDK. I tried responding but its hard to do publicly. I have serious doubts but it still seems it could be plausible, given certain assumptions.

/worst post ever

Lol bumpaments