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Old 02-01-2012, 03:51 PM   #1
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100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

Villain looks decent, no special reads at this point just that he doest likes to fold much postflop. I saw him xr KTo on K85ss and c/c twice with A9o on 755 K

steals 87, 3bets 18, cc 22
cbets 65, folds to cbet 35, xr flop 15

BB: $110(110 bb)
Hero (SB): $116(116 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q 8
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) 3 8 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB calls $11

River: ($36) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $26, BB raises to 92 (All-in)

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Old 02-01-2012, 04:15 PM   #2
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Re: 100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

I don't expect him to be calling with a lot of hands that we beat on the river, it looks like he was fishing for the Ace on the a9o hand..
If he's calling with overs and draws to bink them, we can't expect him to call with much that doesn't beat us on this river
I would consider checking behind river- unless he is a very loose river caller - What is your targeted value range for him?

His postflop AF% would be good to know also his calling range pre-flop
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Old 02-01-2012, 05:11 PM   #3
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Re: 100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

how often did u 3barrel in these kind of spots? did u guys have an aggro dynamic going on in srp? if the answers are often/yes then i click call quickly.

i know this isnt 2009 anymore, but ppl @nl100 still c/r their sets/2pairs ott on wet boards way too often. so what else is rly on their value range otr?

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Old 02-01-2012, 05:13 PM   #4
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Re: 100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

snap imo, hes repping exactly 55 or A2, nothing else, and only A2suited is in his calling range preflop, and he is craising A2cc
he has so many weaker holdings he is turning into bluff
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Old 02-01-2012, 05:22 PM   #5
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Re: 100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

^ well he has the occasional 67hh and stuff sometimes.. if he's decent he might turn worse into a bluff etc. i'd call
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Old 02-01-2012, 05:25 PM   #6
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Re: 100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

yeah 67hh i forgot, but again, thats the only combination possible of 67
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Old 02-01-2012, 05:28 PM   #7
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Re: 100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

i think c/c A2cc is a perfectly good play regarding two posts up

i fold. i doubt he expects us to valuebet as thin as this, and i don't see why he can't have 85s/45s/55/A2hh/A2cc/67hh/67cc
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Old 02-01-2012, 07:35 PM   #8
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Re: 100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

^ do u realize how few combos these are? 11? and 55 is kinda unlikely plus he's just flatting w/ 85 and 45 a decent amount of the time..
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Re: 100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

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85s/45s/55/A2hh/A2cc/67hh/67cc
think he is just flatting with 85 45, and he never has A2cc and 67cc, left combos are A2hh 55 and 67hh (maybe like random A2dd or ss but also unlikely).
Thats preety small range for him to rep to make me fold as played, and given good price i think im snapping this quickly.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:25 PM   #10
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Re: 100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

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i think c/c A2cc is a perfectly good play regarding two posts up
someone c/r flop even a little bit never has A2cc here.
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:35 PM   #11
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Re: 100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

I really dont think he has many, if any, 85 in his cc range oop.

Obv my line looks so strong and Im 100% he doest know (yet) if im capable of vbetting thinish 8x in this spot. To me, the only hand that makes sense for value is 55 and some % of turned 2 pairs that i guess he expects another bet from my busted draws (but i think he xr at least some % of K8 on this flop), and as bluffs he has 1 pairs turned into bluff. I really dont see him x/calling with Ac2c.

So he is repping a super narrow range into a line that gives him no reason to think his up against an thin vbet. Im lost here. Seems like a bad spot to bluff too imo. Obv i could be wrong but I feel if i call its always 55.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:42 PM   #12
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Re: 100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q 8
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) 3 8 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4
rigged site imo
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Re: 100nl, got x/r on missed draws river

haha didnt even notive that..
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:30 AM   #14
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rigged site imo
lol, I knew something fishy was going on when he showed up with 55
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Obv i could be wrong but I feel if i call its always 55.
Way to be results oriented >.<
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