ok this is a standard spot and want to hear people's views on it, pre and flop for now will post rest later.
ok this second hand of match no reads

so does anybody 4 bet pre? i think its a bit spewy but i can deff see some reasons for it, same for flop, who raises/folds/calls and why, and whats your plan for certian truns??

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Hero (BTN/SB): t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1520 M = 50.67

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with A J
Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t180, Hero calls t120

Flop: (t360) 8 6 2 (2 players)
BB bets t180
hero????????

don't 4bet preflop. dont raise flop. just call.

yeah this is my thoughts, just seeing what other people think

yeah it's wildy standard to to do what gugel said

be interested what ppl plan to do on turn whether to turn hand into bluff if they check, if we float another streeet with A high and so on.

I don't like 4betting pre without reads. I always feel like such an early 3bet is bull**** but I still rather just flat without a better idea of what he's doing this with, and I just assume he has a strong hand.

At flop I like a reraise since I feel it has missed him and his bet is just a standard thing to do. Plus for some reason his half pot looks weak to me. So I reraise and if he flats I double barrel if we hit or if another low card comes because it seems like fish often flat with overs here. If he shoves over us on flop I fold.

Trank i think you're gonna be spewing if you follow this line in this spot time and time again

honestly don't like raise/folding flop at all turning our hand into a bluff and i think we'll get re-shipped on a ton as well.

raising this flop is real bad for a lot of reasons and i much prefer folding. also i think calling isn't great given this is a 3bet pot and i dont know how often people double barrel in these sngs but you guys' stacks are pretty damn shallow and you'll have to soul read a lot of turns/rivers to make calling good with zero reads.

I normally don't do this. I usually fold flop in spot like these. The difference to me in this spot is that it's so early in match. It could still be spew though.

Are saying that you think it's spew in this type of spot in general, or are you saying you think it's spew in this spot specifically (keeping in mind it's so early in match)?

i'm not sure what you're making out of the fact it's early, mebbe ur weighting his 3-bet range as lighter/weaker because it's his first???

but i'm talking generally in this spot if we raise it up without specific reads we're kinda spewing imo

we can float here and outplay a lot of villains or just go for the standard fold but i think raising is just a high variance play at best and i don't like

Being early in the match I assume his range is high cards. Also, fish don't like to fold overcards. On top of that people really seem to hate being pushed around in early 3bet pots so seem to be more aggro. Taking all that into consideration I feel that flop has missed villain but villain will not often fold to a reraise here with overs but he will often call. But at turn if another low card comes and we bet hard he will fold and we get a lot of value from him.

Thoughts?

do you float here 100% of the time? i mean this limits must play different from the micros, so i am no surprised there is a float ip.

i feel i got a leak here to be honest. i float sometimes, but i can see myself just folding there getting 3 to 1 when most of the time you are either drawing to 4/6 outs.

na honestly trank i think it's spewing no matter how you dress it up

your logic is kinda right imo but it doesn't work out as sunny and rainbow happy as you'd like it to according to your plan/reasoning

@ Koby

personally i would float here a decent amount depending on my feel for villain and timing etc prolly like 50% float 50% fold 0% spew trank dno if everyone else floats with that frequency but just pulling numbers out my arse

but folding isn't like a major leak honestly you can't go far wrong by playing fit or fold in 3-bet pots at micros imo, it will obv increase your edge if you can float villains and make them give up here and take it away but i wouldn't worry too much if it's something you don't currently do at $11s or w/e

the decision to float flop is really standard tho fwiw

Never raising flop to fold tbh, like ever.

I'm always flatting pre/flop and then re-ev the turn vs unknowns. Post the turn now :P

I don't see how you can fold with ace high. Raise all-in pre.

welcome to the forums!!!

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Hero (BTN/SB): t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1520 M = 50.67

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with A J
Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t180, Hero calls t120

Flop: (t360) 8 6 2 (2 players)
BB bets t180, Hero calls t180

Turn: (t720) 3 (2 players)
BB bets t460

ok heres turn since pre and flop are std, i know what my std is here and dunno if its right or not

fold

fold and regret flop

Yeah i'm always folding. I just don't think it's a good spot to go for a hero call-down vs an unknown.

Standard fold.

This guy has made some pretty stupid posts. Looking like a troll to me.

lol see my std is too shove here, sorry playing at mo but will give thoughts later

lol nathan

kinda saw this coming tbh

Hah. Keep hearing how Nathan is really aggro.