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04-30-2009, 07:58 PM
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Rich Muny - PPA Board VP
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
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Originally Posted by permafrost
Why does this enforcement ignore precedent etc.? Didn't Party and Dikshit just agree to pay for running afoul of the Wire act and other laws? Is using the MN and fed laws together not an acceptable enforcement procedure?
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We're going to fight back hard, just as we did in Kentucky. Sorry to disappoint you.
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04-30-2009, 07:59 PM
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#152
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
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Originally Posted by niss
So what. Use your head.
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Yeah, why mention that the sites not on the list include sites that dont operate in the US and therefore dont violate the statute cited by the State of Minnesota to block them. That seems sort of relevant doesnt it?
Come on man, no one is mentioning small niche sites that the state may have overlooked. They know PokerStars and UltimateBet exist, we're not sharing state secrets here, if the state gets to the point where they are expanding enforcement beyond the current list as planned they arent going to miss PokerStars.
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04-30-2009, 08:09 PM
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#153
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Henrik! Henrik!
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
Let me know what good comes out of identifying the sites they missed on a public message board, cause I'm missing it.
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04-30-2009, 08:16 PM
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#154
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
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Originally Posted by niss
Let me know what good comes out of identifying the sites they missed on a public message board, cause I'm missing it.
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You dont think there is merit to pointing out that some of the sites on the list arent violating the law the state is claiming as a basis for blocking the sites?
The rest of the sites mentioned, I dont think its good or bad other than showing the capriciousness of the list which made more sense once TE pointed out that this was a random list of sites. It not going to affect sites being blocked or not.
If this were processor names or names not available in the public domain Id agree with you, but we arent really tipping off the existence of PokerStars to state authorities.
This back and forth is unproductive though, if you think the posts are a problem report them to the mods and I'll defer to their judgement.
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04-30-2009, 08:26 PM
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#155
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: which one's pink?
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
Is anyone in MN who uses Qwest having issues logging into FTP?
A friend of a friend keeps getting booted.
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04-30-2009, 09:00 PM
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#156
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old hand
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: running bad vs maciek gracz
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
ya if i could take it back i would but i cant edit srry srs
probably not news to them so so kind of irrelevant.
pokerstars has an obvious publicly advertised majority market share so I don't think i'm cluing them in.
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04-30-2009, 09:10 PM
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#157
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veteran
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 2,524
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
Check out http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/minnes...ling-ban-2223/ . LOL at:
Willems: The Wire Act has been used in other arenas as well. The list, which is only 200 out of literally thousands of websites, was selected at random without regards to what type of internet gambling each site is engaged in. Online poker would fall within that possibility.
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I have a different take, though not to call the guy a liar, but.....
There are a few poker sites, none even service the U S.
the response from these few I would surmise is so what, so Willems hopes.
Thus, if he prevails on the casinos (they did once before from a post earlier?) with these names tossed in his hope is THEN he can addendum the list getting PS, FT et al blocked, he will have back door prevailed.
Example: Intertops Casino is listed, not Intertops Poker which also serves the U S.
obg
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04-30-2009, 09:18 PM
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#158
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newbie
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
That's exactly what I was thinking OBG.
Made my phone calls today. Hope everybody else is too.
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04-30-2009, 09:18 PM
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#159
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Rich Muny - PPA Board VP
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
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Originally Posted by oldbookguy
I have a different take, though not to call the guy a liar, but.....
There are a few poker sites, none even service the U S.
the response from these few I would surmise is so what, so Willems hopes.
Thus, if he prevails on the casinos (they did once before from a post earlier?) with these names tossed in his hope is THEN he can addendum the list getting PS, FT et al blocked, he will have back door prevailed.
Example: Intertops Casino is listed, not Intertops Poker which also serves the U S.
obg
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There is at least one U.S. facing site.
It seems states don't think ahead like you or I would think they would. Rather, it seems they think it's all unlawful and that they'll receive universal adulation for fighting it.
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04-30-2009, 09:30 PM
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#160
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veteran
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 2,524
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
There is at least one U.S. facing site.
It seems states don't think ahead like you or I would think they would. Rather, it seems they think it's all unlawful and that they'll receive universal adulation for fighting it.
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I found one if you mean poker room, they are / did close and merged their player base to BWin.
If I overlooked another?
obg
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04-30-2009, 09:34 PM
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#161
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
FullTilt
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04-30-2009, 09:36 PM
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#162
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2010 WSOP November 9er
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
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Originally Posted by oldbookguy
I found one if you mean poker room, they are / did close and merged their player base to BWin.
If I overlooked another?
obg
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FTP
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04-30-2009, 09:42 PM
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#163
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veteran
Join Date: May 2007
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
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Originally Posted by PBJaxx
FTP
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sorry, I overlooked them, errrrrr.
obg
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04-30-2009, 09:44 PM
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#164
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Missouri
Posts: 3,335
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
IMO, this list and action is a trial balloon. If it works then thousands of sites will be blocked, including, maybe, this one. This action by MN is an assault on free speech and online gambling. I can't wait to read all the briefs in the lawsuit.
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04-30-2009, 10:01 PM
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#165
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,911
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Re: x-post from nvg- Minnesota blocking ISP's to internet sites
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Originally Posted by JPFisher55
No, Permafrost, just because an individual caves in to pressure from a governmental entity and settles to avoid litigation and/or prosecution does not make the action of the governmental entity or the government official proper and acceptable.
The settlement with the DOJ by Mr. Dikshit is not any precedence of any type. Only cases litigated in court make legal precedence.
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Agreed that Dikshit didn't set legal precedent however it sure set precedent. Will you agree that the Wire act has survived the court system, and if so, why is it now ignoring legal precedent and the Constitution to use it in helping enforce MN gambling law?
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