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09-01-2011, 05:00 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Daily Action Plan
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
I'm really torn on this one right now. I could easily see it going either way.
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09-01-2011, 05:08 PM
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#32
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Rich Muny - PPA Board VP
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Supporting the Daily Action Plan
Posts: 17,578
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
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Originally Posted by oneonth3run
Is Mr. Muny aware of it?
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Yes. We are going to get 5K signatures. It's a great opportunity to be heard.
I look forward to the response. Hopefully the response won't be the noncommittal stuff we already get from our elected officials.
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09-01-2011, 05:11 PM
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#33
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old hand
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,457
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
Awesome! We are having our voices heard in a democracy as opposed to being silent because our outcry might harm our goals. It's idealistic but nice.
And, after all, we are poker players. It's in our nature to gamble, right?
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09-01-2011, 05:17 PM
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#34
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Rich Muny - PPA Board VP
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Supporting the Daily Action Plan
Posts: 17,578
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
We should do this, but thats a good question. TE said it was delivered to Obama at some point, but that whole thing basically went into the ether.
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The petition had its value in showing the president where we stand. It was foundational work that will, hopefully, pay its dividends later on.
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09-01-2011, 05:18 PM
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#35
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Rich Muny - PPA Board VP
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Supporting the Daily Action Plan
Posts: 17,578
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
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Originally Posted by ChrisMystery
I sent him a PM to check this thread out. Anyone got a better way to get a hold of him?
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I do get lunch and work out and stuff sometimes.
It's good to feel needed, though.
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09-01-2011, 05:20 PM
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#36
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Westeros
Posts: 2,713
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
Meh. I changed my mind. I think we should do it. But I'd like to hear what TE and Skall have to say about it before starting.
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We definitely need to do it. IMO, it needs to be an anti-regulation petition to show how government has killed an industry. I don't think we should mention poker players should have the right to play, etc.
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09-01-2011, 05:21 PM
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#37
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Rich Muny - PPA Board VP
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Supporting the Daily Action Plan
Posts: 17,578
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
Thanks.
But I agree that this might not be a good idea. Backing Obama into a corner to make a public statement about i-poker might backfire. I think it's better to backdoor the idea through lobbying the congresscritters directly. Making it a public issue can easily invite public controversy that deep-sixes the goal.
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He didn't promise a commitment. We'll simply get a response. We get responses from all the time from Congressmen...very few commit to anything.
IMO, the value here is to show the president the support behind this.
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09-01-2011, 05:58 PM
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#38
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journeyman
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 285
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
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Originally Posted by Grasshopp3r
Post a draft petition. Here is a start.
"Poker is a game of skill, similar to bridge, gin rummy or hearts."
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Poker is a game of skill, similar to bridge, gin rummy, hearts or chess. Many past American Presidents have play the game such as _____________, ___________, ____________, and Yourself Mr. Obama.
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09-01-2011, 06:04 PM
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#39
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old hand
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,557
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
He didn't promise a commitment. We'll simply get a response. We get responses from all the time from Congressmen...very few commit to anything.
IMO, the value here is to show the president the support behind this.
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I agree. it's about getting our voice out there.
Where is our petition?
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09-01-2011, 06:42 PM
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#40
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Rich Muny - PPA Board VP
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Supporting the Daily Action Plan
Posts: 17,578
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
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Originally Posted by tangled
Where is our petition?
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The site has not launched yet. The article linked by OP says it will be later this month.
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09-01-2011, 07:12 PM
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#41
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Triple Range Merging
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
We should do this, but thats a good question. TE said it was delivered to Obama at some point, but that whole thing basically went into the ether.
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I wasn't trying to imply we shouldn't do this petition, I think we should. It just made me think of the last petition and I was wondering what ever become of it, did we get a response from the WH or did it get put in the trash.
If we get the 5k votes they say they will respond. Even if they think the idea is bad they will respond with a reason why. So at least we get a bit of insight into what the Obama administration thinks about online poker regulation.
Maybe they'll think its a good idea or maybe the response will be 'LOL Online poker YOU CRAZY'
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09-01-2011, 07:51 PM
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#42
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veteran
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Being berated in chat
Posts: 2,596
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
http://www.whitehouse.gov/wethepeople
"When I ran for this office, I pledged to make government more open and accountable to its citizens."
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I almost choked on my taco.
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09-01-2011, 10:19 PM
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#43
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Cynical Idealist
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Advocating for YOUR freedom to play
Posts: 3,955
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
Whomever is responsible for writing the text of the petition, please just make sure "Online poker" is well-defined so people don't think it's video poker we're talking about. Apparently many people --including legislators-- think online poker is video poker (I didn't realize that until reading another thread).
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09-01-2011, 10:22 PM
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#44
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Rich Muny - PPA Board VP
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Supporting the Daily Action Plan
Posts: 17,578
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
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Originally Posted by sajeffe
Whomever is responsible for writing the text of the petition, please just make sure "Online poker" is well-defined so people don't think it's video poker we're talking about. Apparently many people --including legislators-- think online poker is video poker (I didn't realize that until reading a thread in NVG of all places). 
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I'll be writing it.
I included verbiage on how our game differs from video poker in the prefilled PPA letter for that very reason. I'll look to include some that language in the petition.
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09-01-2011, 10:30 PM
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#45
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Cynical Idealist
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Advocating for YOUR freedom to play
Posts: 3,955
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Re: White House creates online petitions site - need 5,000 signatures
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
I'll be writing it.
I included verbiage on how our game differs from video poker in the prefilled PPA letter for that very reason. I'll look to include some that language in the petition.
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You're so quick! You beat my ninja edit! (The thread I referred to was in PL, not NVG).
Anyway, good.
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