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12-17-2009 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by funkyj
FYP
None of the stuff you "fixed" was mentioned in the show. I'm pretty sure that's what this thread is about.

I understand your points, though. Tough road ahead still.
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12-17-2009 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Dude you got no idea what goes on behind closed doors(nor do I). You read a couple articles and now your an expert and qualified to critisize the PPA?
I doubt he even does that. Rather, it seems he takes what he hears around the poker table and his personal experiences and instaforms opinions.
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12-17-2009 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Correct me If I'm mistaken...

It was my understanding that these sites, if Regulation passes in the USA, that the KGC commissions, can apply for a liscense, but will be blackballed or be forced to pay heavy fines due to their non compliance to the UIGEA since 2006 and other reasons.

I don't want to post this to a reply and be wrong and also if I'm "advertising" something here that I shouldn't feel free to delete this post....

Whats the official scenario for US sites that were non-compliant to the UIGEA?
UIGEA provides an enforcement mechanism for other laws. If sites were violating no laws prior to UIGEA, then they were breaking none after. The sites take the position that they are not breaking the law.

It will be interesting to see what happens there when it comes time for licensing, but there is nothing in the bills calling for sites to pay any fines (Skall did a great job already detailing how the bills could affect the sites).
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12-17-2009 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

Do we have any hit men that can take out Russ H.?
Honestly with the amount of money in poker and people involved I am shocked no one like him or heads of some of the sites that shutdown with people's funds have never turned up dead. Not a single one. It still shocks me. Especially when you think of some of the tougher characters we have known in the poker world over the years.
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12-17-2009 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by schlucky1
None of the stuff you "fixed" was mentioned in the show. I'm pretty sure that's what this thread is about.

I understand your points, though. Tough road ahead still.
Sorry, you are right. I got off topic thinking you were summarizing your opinons rather than the show.
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12-17-2009 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
Do we have any hit men that can take out Russ H.?
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Originally Posted by GrindUnumb
Honestly with the amount of money in poker and people involved I am shocked no one like him or heads of some of the sites that shutdown with people's funds have never turned up dead. Not a single one. It still shocks me. Especially when you think of some of the tougher characters we have known in the poker world over the years.
+1. I would consider it a poker holiday if Russ turned up dead.
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12-17-2009 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Punk In Drublic
Just wondering, when will the PPA realize that their whole poker-isn't-gambling tactic is a huge fail and give up on it? You guys have to realize that convincing poker nerds on this site and convincing the average lawmaker are two different things. In their minds poker is gambling and will always be gambling. You guys sound ******ed trudging up to capitol hill and insisting poker should be legal because it's a skill game and not gambling.

Makes me sick to watch you guys waste so much money on this dumb tactic. Problem is that most of the bigwigs in the PPA are so arrogant that they refuse to admit their initial plan of attack sucked and are committed to it.
Yo, how bout u STFU and post under your real 2+2 handle?

Also, this "dumb tactic" has kept several people out of jail in different court cases.

lol @ the bigwigs in the PPA comment, as if TE hops on a PPA lear jet to some party with naked chicks like in Charlie Wilson's War to discuss with Skallagrim the skill v luck aspect of their plan of attack in litigation. GTFOH
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12-17-2009 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
lol @ the bigwigs in the PPA comment, as if TE hops on a PPA lear jet to some party with naked chicks like in Charlie Wilson's War to discuss with Skallagrim the skill v luck aspect of their plan of attack in litigation. GTFOH
Yeah, everyone knows Skall keeps the naked chicks for himself.
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12-17-2009 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAlK
Yeah, everyone knows Skall keeps the naked chicks for himself.
lol...

btw, TE, you are a 6max lhe player?
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12-18-2009 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BigAlK
Yeah, everyone knows Skall keeps the naked chicks for himself.
Hehe.
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12-18-2009 , 03:03 AM
They can't be happy on the Isle of Mann that they were showing a PokerStars table while the narrator was using the word "illegal".

Last edited by Poker Clif; 12-18-2009 at 03:05 AM. Reason: spelling
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12-18-2009 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Distajo
btw, TE, you are a 6max lhe player?
Yes. I play six max limit hold'em, usually four tables, at $15/$30 and $30/$60. I hope to diversify over time, but unfortunately I'm a specialist for now.

Some have wondered now much I play and what. It a valid question, as I am on the PPA board as the representative of the day-to-day player. Over the past 30 days, I played 24,890 hands. I ran well, coming in around 1.85 BB/100. I was 33/27/2.0.
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12-18-2009 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
I played 24,890 hands. I ran well, coming in around 1.85 BB/100. I was 33/27/2.0.
Makes me never wanna play limit holdem again
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12-18-2009 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
Yes. I play six max limit hold'em, usually four tables, at $15/$30 and $30/$60. I hope to diversify over time, but unfortunately I'm a specialist for now.

Some have wondered now much I play and what. It a valid question, as I am on the PPA board as the representative of the day-to-day player. Over the past 30 days, I played 24,890 hands. I ran well, coming in around 1.85 BB/100. I was 33/27/2.0.
You're a freakin maniac! Could you tell us which site??? -- so I don't deposit there.
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12-18-2009 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
Yes. I play six max limit hold'em, usually four tables, at $15/$30 and $30/$60. I hope to diversify over time, but unfortunately I'm a specialist for now.

Some have wondered now much I play and what. It a valid question, as I am on the PPA board as the representative of the day-to-day player. Over the past 30 days, I played 24,890 hands. I ran well, coming in around 1.85 BB/100. I was 33/27/2.0.
Pretty cool that you are also a respectable poker player imo
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12-18-2009 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
Yes. I play six max limit hold'em, usually four tables, at $15/$30 and $30/$60. I hope to diversify over time, but unfortunately I'm a specialist for now.

Some have wondered now much I play and what. It a valid question, as I am on the PPA board as the representative of the day-to-day player. Over the past 30 days, I played 24,890 hands. I ran well, coming in around 1.85 BB/100. I was 33/27/2.0.
What kind of variance?
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12-18-2009 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by funkyj
What kind of variance?
21.1 BB/100
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12-18-2009 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by makeit3bets
Makes me never wanna play limit holdem again
I don't know if anyone is regularly earning 2 BB/100 or more on today's $15/$30+ shorthanded limit games. Too many tough players out there.
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12-18-2009 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rocketragz
Pretty cool that you are also a respectable poker player imo
Thanks!

I'm glad I didn't mention it in the past, as our efforts for our rights have never been about me. However, I did think it was a fair question so I figured it was time for this short stat post.
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12-18-2009 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tangled
You're a freakin maniac! Could you tell us which site??? -- so I don't deposit there.
Hehe. I don't know about that, but I have been continually working on my game, including reading a lot, really trying to dissect and analyze my game, and watching the Stox videos. Mason was even kind enough to give me a couple of books when I saw him in Vegas.
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12-18-2009 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
Yes. I play six max limit hold'em, usually four tables, at $15/$30 and $30/$60. I hope to diversify over time, but unfortunately I'm a specialist for now.

Some have wondered now much I play and what. It a valid question, as I am on the PPA board as the representative of the day-to-day player. Over the past 30 days, I played 24,890 hands. I ran well, coming in around 1.85 BB/100. I was 33/27/2.0.
Wow that's pretty cool. Thanks for sharing that with me. i'm also a short haned lhe player. I'm trying to go for SNE next year playing 1-2, and eventulaly moving up to 5-10. It's insane the amount of hands i have to put in at 1-2 to keep pace, but i hope i move up quickly. Fortunately at that level there are many leaks from regulars and many casual players, so i should be able to move up quickly if i keep on learning.

That's pretty good if you're lifetime winrate is the one you mentioned at those stakes. There aer some really good players, so just even managing a positive winrate says a lot about your game. It is possible to get 2bb/100 at that level, but then you get into some serious metagame and stuff called GTO (game theory optimal).

Currently i'm a 25/17 player, trying to get up to 32/25 or 30/20 eventually. I don't really know how you guys play that many hands profitably. Even though it's 5 percent more hands, that's a lot more marginal situations you put yourself into. I hope i can improve in that area.

GL at the tables
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12-18-2009 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Punk In Drublic
Just wondering, when will the PPA realize that their whole poker-isn't-gambling tactic is a huge fail and give up on it? You guys have to realize that convincing poker nerds on this site and convincing the average lawmaker are two different things. In their minds poker is gambling and will always be gambling. You guys sound ******ed trudging up to capitol hill and insisting poker should be legal because it's a skill game and not gambling.

Makes me sick to watch you guys waste so much money on this dumb tactic. Problem is that most of the bigwigs in the PPA are so arrogant that they refuse to admit their initial plan of attack sucked and are committed to it.
Signed,
Bitter because I lose at poker
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12-18-2009 , 07:08 PM
Not only is TE an excellent poker player, but he hides other talents at cards. His article a few years ago on BJ21 about Black jack players changing to poker was life changing for me.
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12-18-2009 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BruceN
Not only is TE an excellent poker player, but he hides other talents at cards. His article a few years ago on BJ21 about Black jack players changing to poker was life changing for me.
Thanks!

I'm glad you liked that article.
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12-18-2009 , 11:05 PM
Sure you want this information made public TE? If anybody ever gets a screen-name of yours they will know all too well to play you with respect.

I have had the privilege to sit across from TE at 2 poker tables. Once when we met in LV and spent a little time in the venetian poker room. Playing 1-2 NL I managed to make a fair profit while TE lost a little. I have to admit running a little lucky helped me that night. The second time was recently at the PPA charity tournament for Walter Reed veterans and related charities. After about half way through that tourney I was roughly chip average when they moved TE to my table. Not wanting to make this a long story, the short version is that I moved all-in pre-flop with an A-10s in EP which in those specific circumstances was likely not to be called by anything other than AK or a pair. TE (positioned before the button) was the only one to call me . He had AJ. Neither of us improved, J played. Yeah, he's good.

Skallagrim

PS, if TE recollects this hand differently, he is probably right. I have been distracted of late looking for those "naked women in a learjet."

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