one time?

Oh my. Ooooh my. Ooooooooh my. Oh dear. Ooooh dear.

(Fingers crossed.)

Politico: Payroll tax cut extension a mess in the making (2/6/12)
the committee he's in w reid.

just do it man

Could you explain the tax cuts to those of us who aren't knowledgeable? When is the deadline for extending them?

February 29th, 2012

Payroll-Tax Cut Talks Move Behind Closed Doors to Avoid Lapse
if only there were a compromise that provided revenue without raising taxes on anyone....

Here we go.

The prospect is exciting, but I'm not popping any champagne or anything yet. I think we need to wait and see if there are other sources. This is a really random off handed statement and the article doesn't even serve to report a reidbill.


And while I think this is quite possibly the real deal, let's not forget that this tax cut bill is being very contentiously discussed and we could quickly fall off the table.


Save the 'one times' for just a bit here.

The quote sounds like someone passed on a rumor started on a forum like this one, but the article itself is worth reading, "competition for state lotteries could jeopardize the public education system in his state". Seriously?

We really need to get the message out that the competition is already there, online poker is already being played by citizens in every state, the only question they need to be asking is who should provide (and profit from) the service.

This source is very questionable imo. We need to see if this lobbyist source is the real deal. Hopefully this will surface somewhere else.

well it will now

(#4 right now)

This is sickkkkkk: "many state lotteries now generate more revenue than do state corporate income taxes."

Even though it's a school newspaper, they cite all of their sources. Sounds legit. But, yeah. Who was Mr. Moore talking to and did they really say what he said they said?

Slugger, your attempts to temper expectations don't seem to be working on me.

Exciting development! please please please finally get this done for us Harry

Got my onetime out and ready... (just in case)

I'm so sick of hearing that online poker will hurt lottery revenue. I do enjoy the view that regulating online poker will destroy scholarships programs.

I'm curious as to why you are sick of hearing it. The prevailing view is that i-poker is a multi-billion dollar per year industry - where are these billions of dollars coming from? You want beatable games, right? You need many recreational players in the player pool. Why are these players not necessarily occasional or regular lottery players?

People act as if people set aside $1000 a year for lottery tickets/scratch off's and if online poker came around that they would take that $1000 and deposit it on a poker site instead. Lottery tickets for the most part are impulse buys from people when at stores(there is a reason they are right next to the cashier) and just because a person has the ability to play poker when he is home is not going to stop that person from buying a lottery ticket when they stop to get gas. Also for as many people that it might prevent from buying that lottery ticket there is probably a equal amount of people that will buy one since they might of just got done playing poker and have gambling still on their mind.

Also did online poker hurt the lottery's prior to 2006? I believe fair play studied data with online poker traffic compared to lottery sales and found no pattern between the amount of people playing poker and lottery revenue.

^ Aside from that, I can't believe that no one has yet mentioned the brilliant, crazy idea of designating poker revenues towards whatever issue a given state lottery supports.

Nuts, I know. I deserve a Nobel Prize nomination for having come up with this idea.

FPUSA study is a bit tainted, no? (i-poker lobbyists, centered on one of the few states that doesn't have a lottery)

As for the first paragraph, the guy might have to curtail his impulse lottery ticket purchases when he realizes he can't pay his electric bill.

Money from lotteries >>>> money from i-poker.

It really sucks that this mindless activity called the lottery is the primary or only form of gambling permitted by many states. But that is the way things are. And so long as there are suckers willing to buy the tickets, the machine will go on.

That's just the thing: all of these state lotto directors keep acting as if iPoker will kill the lottery.

It won't.

People are still going to play the damned lottery. Some will play the lotto and then play a little poker here and there. Some (gasp) don't like poker and will only play the lotto. Some won't play either.

States can use online poker revenues to complement their lotto revenues.

Easy game.

... and some will play i-poker instead of the lottery. Reasons:

• they might realize they have a better chance of "getting lucky" at poker than the lottery;
• they have a finite amount of discretionary income they are able to toss away.

Yes. And the states will still get revenue from that.

No one is going to convince me that lotto revenue + poker revenue is ever going to be significantly less that lotto revenue alone.