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06-17-2011, 01:43 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 231
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The Hill Article
Looks like the McDermott Bill hit the house yesterday.
Is this the one the PPA had input into?? Like every 3rd word in the Hill article is Tax and they sound like they are going to have heck of a lot of knowledge about everyone's online bank roll.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...xes-on-winners
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06-17-2011, 01:54 PM
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For President
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Hail Satan!
Posts: 5,505
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Re: The Hill Article
"The bill specifically requires companies to subject winnings to backup withholding, which under current law would require them to set aside 28 percent of all winnings. Taxes would apply to bets made within the U.S., or any U.S. territory by a U.S. citizen or resident."
can someone explain if this means they withhold for each tournament/session? or yearly, or as we cash out?
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06-17-2011, 02:16 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 821
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Re: The Hill Article
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
"The bill specifically requires companies to subject winnings to backup withholding, which under current law would require them to set aside 28 percent of all winnings. Taxes would apply to bets made within the U.S., or any U.S. territory by a U.S. citizen or resident."
can someone explain if this means they withhold for each tournament/session? or yearly, or as we cash out?
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Gotta be yearly. Another part of it stated that they require states to take in to account all deposit/withdrawal records. I imagine the tax number they come up with at the end of each year is withdrawals - deposits.
That may not be exactly it, but there's no way they could logistically figure out how to institute taxes after every session everyone plays.
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06-17-2011, 02:21 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 821
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Re: HR 2230 introduced - McDermott, Campbell, Frank bill
This looks like the same bill Frank introduced last year. Why will it get further this year? I was hoping for the Barton bill first, something newer, and fresher, and something different.
The post-black-Friday momentum may help this bill but I still don't see a R controlled house passing legislation that legalizes all forms of gambling online.
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06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Waiting A Long Time For The Beep
Posts: 1,302
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Re: HR 2230 introduced - McDermott, Campbell, Frank bill
Man, I hope we see the text of this bill soon. I hope they don't plan on withholding 28% of every sit and go win or something.
Hopefully the 28% is taken when the player cashes out.
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06-17-2011, 02:23 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 179
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Re: HR 2230 introduced - McDermott, Campbell, Frank bill
Some good info there.
In other news, I want to punch HOOSIER PATRIOT in the face.
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06-17-2011, 02:25 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 571
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Re: The Hill Article
Can anyone post links to Congressmen we should email, send letters to, or facebook pages?
I know I'm lazy, but I need the links to actually take action.
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06-17-2011, 02:29 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Westeros
Posts: 2,713
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Re: HR 2230 introduced - McDermott, Campbell, Frank bill
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Originally Posted by thedinergetsby
This looks like the same bill Frank introduced last year. Why will it get further this year? I was hoping for the Barton bill first, something newer, and fresher, and something different.
The post-black-Friday momentum may help this bill but I still don't see a R controlled house passing legislation that legalizes all forms of gambling online.
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Agree and Disagree
The Barton Bill is definitely what we are shooting for, but a bill like this helps. If we can opponents/unknowns to support this bill(that will never pass), then we can get even more support for a poker only bill.
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06-17-2011, 02:34 PM
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For President
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Hail Satan!
Posts: 5,505
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Re: The Hill Article
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Originally Posted by thedinergetsby
Gotta be yearly. Another part of it stated that they require states to take in to account all deposit/withdrawal records. I imagine the tax number they come up with at the end of each year is withdrawals - deposits.
That may not be exactly it, but there's no way they could logistically figure out how to institute taxes after every session everyone plays.
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well what concerns me is this:
"They would also have to provide information on gross winnings, gross wagers and gross losses on each person for every calendar year, and the amount of tax withheld on these winnings"
could imply to my eye withholdings will be taken prior to the end of the tax year.
they withhold on a per-tournament basis for live, I'm just worried they may wrongly assume online can handle the same system
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06-17-2011, 02:54 PM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Playing Recreationally
Posts: 2,207
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Re: HR 2230 introduced - McDermott, Campbell, Frank bill
I agree. It's like asking your parents for $100 when you only need $50.
"Can we get full on balls to the wall legalized online gambling?"
"No."
"So how about poker only, with these stipulations/regulations?"
"Ehhh... OK."
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06-17-2011, 02:58 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 3,522
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Re: HR 2230 introduced - McDermott, Campbell, Frank bill
This bill seems to be mostly a tax bill, referring to McDermott's online poker and skill games bill. Is that different than Campell/Frank's previous bill?
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06-17-2011, 03:05 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Westeros
Posts: 2,713
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Re: The Hill Article
PX from another thread on taxes:
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
The federal bills that we have seen so far have included language in these regards:
1. Tax withholding applies equally to online poker as it does to live play.
2. Sites report at the end of the year to the Treasury for each player gross winnings, gross losses, net winnings and taxes withheld.
The only tax withholding for US citizens currently required for poker play is 28% on tournament net winnings of $5K or more, but only if the player does not provide their Taxpayer Id Number (usually social security #). This would apply to online play as well.
The end-of-the-year report to the Treasury, essentialy a 1099 for online poker, would result in all players being liable for income taxes (state and federal) on their poker winnings, just as they are now. Poker players would no longer be able to evade these taxes.
The issues regarding netting wins & losses for online play, and regarding the excessive tax liability for players in states that don't allow gambling loss deductions are known and have been extensively discussed in this forum. The requirement for sites to include net winnings on their reporting is a step in the right direction, but doesn't go far enough. I'm sure this is one of the bill deficiences that the PPA is lobbying to correct, and hopefully we will see some corrections in the new bills.
In any case, the problems with these deficiencies will be obvious once sites get going. It will be in the best interests of government and the sites to correct them to maximize player participation and thereby government revenues. There will also be the opportunity to lobby for the necessary changes during the regulation development process following passage of a bill.
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This wouldn't apply to non-pros, since recreational players are not allowed to net their winnings.
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06-17-2011, 03:16 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 3,522
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Re: HR 2230 introduced - McDermott, Campbell, Frank bill
The bill interestingly was referred to the House Ways and Means Committee and the House Education and the Workforce Committee.
First I've heard of the Education committee being made a relevant committee to this. Must be a reason for this (improve jobs???) Anyone speculate?
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