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Old 10-25-2009, 12:43 AM   #721
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Re: Florida New Poker Limits - SB 788.

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Re: Florida New Poker Limits - SB 788.

I've been trolling this thread for a while now but I feel lately it's deviated from the main issue here, which is this: HOW SOON AND HOW LIKELY WILL I BE ABLE TO BUY IN FOR 100 BIG BLINDS IN A NO LIMIT HOLD 'EM GAME??!!!

But seriously, I'm kind of getting lost in this back and forth statement releasing game the politicians are playing. How are the current state of affairs in regards to raising the buy in limit and is that potential raise in jeopardy if the compact doesn't get signed into law?
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:40 PM   #723
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I've been trolling this thread for a while now but I feel lately it's deviated from the main issue here, which is this: HOW SOON AND HOW LIKELY WILL I BE ABLE TO BUY IN FOR 100 BIG BLINDS IN A NO LIMIT HOLD 'EM GAME??!!!

But seriously, I'm kind of getting lost in this back and forth statement releasing game the politicians are playing. How are the current state of affairs in regards to raising the buy in limit and is that potential raise in jeopardy if the compact doesn't get signed into law?
There is little to no possibility that it will happen any time soon.
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:44 PM   #724
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I've been trolling this thread for a while now but I feel lately it's deviated from the main issue here, which is this: HOW SOON AND HOW LIKELY WILL I BE ABLE TO BUY IN FOR 100 BIG BLINDS IN A NO LIMIT HOLD 'EM GAME??!!!

But seriously, I'm kind of getting lost in this back and forth statement releasing game the politicians are playing. How are the current state of affairs in regards to raising the buy in limit and is that potential raise in jeopardy if the compact doesn't get signed into law?
If the new compact fails, so does uncapped poker under SB788. I expect the new compact to fail - actually, it essentially already has. I also expect the Florida legislature to come up with a new bill to pass the changes to the pari-mutuels laws that were in SB788, including uncapped poker. This could still happen in a special session this year, or it may not happen until next spring.

The House congressional committee that deals with gambling law in the state, lead by Galvano, will be meeting in two weeks. That's when we'll find out more about what comes next.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:00 PM   #725
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July 1st 2010 is not any time soon?
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The double-speak and non sequiturs flowing in this case are mind-blowing. How do these people spew this crap with a straight face:
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Tribe spokesman Gary Bitner: "Contrary to the letter from Speaker Cretul, the Florida Supreme Court did not invalidate the 2007 Compact, which received federal approval in January 2008. In fact, the Court only addressed a narrow aspect of the Governor's authority and specifically declined to address the status of the Compact under the federal Indian Gaming Regulatory Act.
Translation:"So the Court didn't address the merits of the deal, they only stated the gov didn't have the authority to make the deal in the fist place, so the deal should stand." Huh? That just doesn't make sense. Why should the Court bother to consider any merits of a deal that they say is entirely moot any way? Once they decided on the "narrow aspect" of the gov's authority to even broker the deal, anything that stems from deal is null and void. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

I guess that's just politics...
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The double-speak and non sequiturs flowing in this case are mind-blowing. How do these people spew this crap with a straight face:

Translation:"So the Court didn't address the merits of the deal, they only stated the gov didn't have the authority to make the deal in the fist place, so the deal should stand." Huh? That just doesn't make sense. Why should the Court bother to consider any merits of a deal that they say is entirely moot any way? Once they decided on the "narrow aspect" of the gov's authority to even broker the deal, anything that stems from deal is null and void. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

I guess that's just politics...
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The double-speak and non sequiturs flowing in this case are mind-blowing. How do these people spew this crap with a straight face:

Translation:"So the Court didn't address the merits of the deal, they only stated the gov didn't have the authority to make the deal in the fist place, so the deal should stand." Huh? That just doesn't make sense. Why should the Court bother to consider any merits of a deal that they say is entirely moot any way? Once they decided on the "narrow aspect" of the gov's authority to even broker the deal, anything that stems from deal is null and void. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

I guess that's just politics...
Bitner was saying that the court looked at one aspect of the Governor's authority but failed to take into consideration whether or not the compact could be voided by the state court once it had gone into effect under federal law per the procedures of the IGRA. This issue will have to be decided by SCOTUS before the State Supreme Court's decision will be considered valid by the tribe.
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Old 10-27-2009, 10:27 AM   #729
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Re: Florida New Poker Limits - SB 788.

Zepbrush and PX, you inspired me. Sorry to pimp my own stuff but it does relate to the topic. Keep up the info, PX.

http://blogs.trb.com/entertainment/n...e_nolimit.html

I'm thinking of putting a link to Gov. Crist, asking everyone to implore them to change to no-limit immediately.
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:48 AM   #730
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Zepbrush and PX, you inspired me. Sorry to pimp my own stuff but it does relate to the topic. Keep up the info, PX.

http://blogs.trb.com/entertainment/n...e_nolimit.html

I'm thinking of putting a link to Gov. Crist, asking everyone to implore them to change to no-limit immediately.
Hi guys,

Nick Sortal is an excellent reporter with the Sun-Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale. He has written many positive pieces about the poker scene in Florida and is a true asset to our cause. Our goal is to have real poker in Florida without any limits both to buy-ins and hours. I am happy he has joined the forum. I think we need to do more as a group to target decision makers in Florida. Nick can help us. We need to target Crist, Galvano, Atwater and Crutel.

It's crazy that you can bet $10,000 or more on a horse rate, a slot machine, the lottery or a blackjack table but we are only limited to $100 buy-in in no-limit poker or $5 bet in limit poker. It's crazy that poker rooms can only open 12 hours per day. But here we are only preaching to the choir. We need to send e-mails and letters to the real decision-makers listed above. We need to get more positive articles out there by enlightened reporters like Sortal talking about the jobs created and the revenues we will raise if legislators will drop these stupid restrictions.

Thank you, Nick, for taking up the cause. Please put up the link and maybe even a link to the other decision maker as well.
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:08 PM   #731
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Media and Gov Crist continue to keep our hopes up. Maybe he knows something we don't?
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Zepbrush and PX, you inspired me. Sorry to pimp my own stuff but it does relate to the topic. Keep up the info, PX.

http://blogs.trb.com/entertainment/n...e_nolimit.html

I'm thinking of putting a link to Gov. Crist, asking everyone to implore them to change to no-limit immediately.
Nice article, Nick!

Ya know, the idea of passing the pari-mutuel changes, including uncapped poker, separate from the compact was how the bills started out in the legislature this past spring. In the final days of the negotiations between the house, the senate, Crist and the tribe, the two bills got combined into one (SB788), with implementation of the pari-mutuel changes dependent on ratificiation of the compact. I suspect Crist and the tribe had a lot to do with that.
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:31 PM   #733
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Re: Florida New Poker Limits - SB 788.

Thanks, Mark; you give me too much credit.
I just want big-time poker because it'd be more for me to cover (job security). I'm too crappy of a player for it to affect me. But I did put up Crist's email address, and I should add a poker mgr's point that it'd up his revenue 20 percent or so, and employ 20 more dealers x 26 facilities (estimated).

PX, good points. I had heard the state combined them because they were worried about the revenue, or at least said they were. If you give up X million that you figured you'd get from the paris, you better make sure you get that X million from the tribe.
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:37 AM   #734
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Democratic Rep. Ron Saunders says he's drafted proposed gaming legislation that is basically what lawmakers passed in the 2009 session, minus the Seminole gambling provisions that are now in limbo amid strained negotiations between the tribe and the state...
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:55 AM   #735
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Is it true that if the State of Florida and the Seminole Tribe do not reach an agreement, then the federal government will step in to regulate gambling on Seminole lands?
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