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Old 04-14-2008, 07:49 PM   #421
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Re: ePassporte reportedly pulls plug on US players

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Followed the link that TheEngineer provided and e-mailed my two (Illinois) senators. I got the following response today, which some of you might find interesting:
Got the same email from durbin. Really makes me wanna send another email, but I dont know if I will. If i am gonna respond, I need to actually take some time to write out a response and not just randomly type up some email

edit: and lol at saying the unregulated nature of it allows for problem gambling/fraud/udnerage play. yea the answer is defininetly to outlaw it and make it semi-illegal and based out of others countries.
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Old 04-14-2008, 08:12 PM   #422
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Second, I have not seen the post you reference, but that is a reasonable theory
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When I have some time I will see if I can find the post, though as I said I'm not 100% sure that I have it straight. As far as I remember it was a passing statement, not an in depth analysis.
found it finally. I wish the new forum software allowed nested quotes.

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The problem is that if the US Attorney for the SDNY is investigating Epassporte, then it is likely based on the Wire Act and the DOJ's interpretation that it covers all gambling.
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Old 04-14-2008, 08:23 PM   #423
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Got the same email from durbin. Really makes me wanna send another email, but I dont know if I will. If i am gonna respond, I need to actually take some time to write out a response and not just randomly type up some email

edit: and lol at saying the unregulated nature of it allows for problem gambling/fraud/udnerage play. yea the answer is defininetly to outlaw it and make it semi-illegal and based out of others countries.:rolleyes:
Perhaps this would be the core of a response?

I initially received the same from one of my Senators and my congressional rep. A dialog though has them at least now on the fence and maybe even tilting our way on poker.

Heck, Rockefeller went so far in his first letter to suggest if I want to gamble, there are 4 tracks in WV that all have slots as well.

My response to the letter served to open a dialog and a meeting with someone from his office.

Keep trying, actually I see a very dim light at the end of the letter where it mentions legal online transactions (though no mention of wagering, assume it includes them), begin there defining what we consider legal and thank him for considering supporting this.

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Old 04-15-2008, 02:51 AM   #424
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i got a reply from a senator, saying that they haven't got any bills to look at, but she'll keep my comments in mind.
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Old 04-15-2008, 10:25 PM   #425
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Here's what I got from Obama:

Dear Joseph:

Thank you for contacting me regarding on-line gambling. You raise some important concerns.

As you know, prior to Congress’s action last year, internet gambling was a growing industry. According to a study by the federal Government Accountability Office (GAO), since the mid-1990s internet gambling operators established approximately 1,800 e-gaming Web sites in locations outside the United States, and global revenues from internet gaming in 2003 were over $5 billion dollars.

Both states and the federal government have laws and regulations addressing internet gambling. At the federal level, the Wire Act prohibits gambling businesses from using interstate or international telecommunications firms to knowingly transmit or receive bets. Furthermore, private companies, including many in the credit card industry, have taken steps to restrict internet gambling, primarily by prohibiting cardholders from using the cards to gamble online.

In 1996, Congress created the National Gambling Impact Study Commission to examine the social and economic impacts of gambling, including internet gambling. In its 1999 report, the Commission recommended (1) that the federal government prohibit any internet gambling not already authorized and encourage foreign governments not to harbor internet gambling organizations, and (2) that Congress pass legislation prohibiting the collection of credit card debt for internet gambling.

Following up on the Commission’s recommendations, the House of Representatives approved HR 4411, the Unlawful Internet Gambling and Enforcement Act, by a 317-93 vote. This bill was then folded into a conference committee report on unrelated port security legislation, and became Public Law 109-347 on October 13th, 2006.

I recognize both the need to comply with federal and state laws and the desire of many Illinoisans to not have the federal government over-regulate their behavior. As opportunities to re-examine this issue arise, I will certainly keep your concerns in mind.

Again, thank you for contacting me. Please stay in touch.

Sincerely,

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Old 04-15-2008, 11:46 PM   #426
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Re: ePassporte reportedly pulls plug on US players

Made two $1k withdrawals and a $600 withdrawal over the weekend when I heard about all this. Have the two $1k withdrawals in my account today.
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Old 04-15-2008, 11:46 PM   #427
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these have to be cut/paste email responses right? I think PS support puts more effort into their emails than senators.
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Old 04-15-2008, 11:56 PM   #428
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When this happened to Neteller, were people able to easily withdraw money they had on there?
bwahahaha

I'm really sorry for everyone's problems regarding ePass, but man that quote is funny.
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Old 04-15-2008, 11:59 PM   #429
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Got two $300 withdrawals made this weekend should be a good sign for now.
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Old 04-16-2008, 12:19 AM   #430
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I just made an ATM withdrawal at 11:00 PM central time.

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Old 04-17-2008, 02:18 PM   #431
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Hopefully eWalletExpress steps up to the plate and becomes a big player in the US market now that Epassporte is gone.. I have always thought that Epassporte was a terrible company..
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Old 04-17-2008, 03:03 PM   #432
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Ewalletexpress charges 10% to withdraw. No thank you. I always received good service from Epassporte.
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Old 04-17-2008, 06:02 PM   #433
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I got an ACH cashout of $600 to my bank account pretty shortly after withdrawing it online.

I also talked to epassporte and was told there won't be any problems cashing out. I called a diff phone # than the one on the site and a guy told me that epassporte simply stopped processing transactions to merchants which doesn't have any effect on cashing out of the website.
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Old 04-17-2008, 06:04 PM   #434
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They are exorbinant, but what most people are concerned with is ROOM to ROOM movements. They have UB cake and some microgaming and Bugsys that I know of. Just Moneygram in to a room and use usemywallet between, and check or MG out. Some sites will bank wire to you thats as cheap as you'll get.
I doubt you will see US credits to CC as a cashout, thats just too big a red flag.
I just don't want to go to Wal Mart customer service every time I hit a reload up or need to refuel.
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